How dare you!!
Surely you know that the junta’s behaviour is excusable because Pol Pot was a dodgy character.
Besides, Dowling was a catholic so is exempted.
Guys, just a note to try to keep things in this thread civilised - Falklands/Malvinas threads are very emotive and so much more tightly moderated than usual. Any name calling, etc. WILL get this thread locked for a while so everyone can calm down. This applies to everyone no matter what “side” they are on.
If somebody bother to see my post here:
http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/showpost.php?p=142744&postcount=56
If not I dont care, despite all the name calling and provocations by ZZ, cuts and other similar pityful characters I wont discuss the internal conflict of Argentina in this topic.
I quite agree PDF, a civilised discussion would be most refreshing, and a discussion it should be.
If A puts forward a supposition which B contests, then A is duty bound to prove the supposition or accept that they are wrong.
Merely ignoring the counter-argument is unproductive and puerile.
It puts me in mind of the old television series ‘Fawlty Towers’ in which the character played by Andrew Sachs kept repeating, “Ay know nuuuthing !”
Amusing in it’s context but here suggestive of something altogether more nefarious, and just like in the programme, equally untrue.
The issue of this subject being emotive is true enough, but it is noticeable that the emotional outbursts seem only to emanate from one direction.
If I took it into my head to throw a tantrum whenever a thread on, for example, the battles of the Western Desert didn’t go my way, I would be regarded by sensible adults as being either stupid or childish - or both.
A fair while back I was trying to convince a Falkland Islands civilian who was present when his home was invaded to post here as I felt he had much to offer, but after the thread on Los Desaparecidos moved from where it was germane he decided that there was no interest in his opinions.
There are some SAMA members who read this forum but don’t bother to post for that very reason.
In all honesty the point of view of posters such as Zulu_Zulu should have a lot more sway than the unsubstantiated bleating of someone who can hardly even be considered a distant observer, being scarcely more than a babe in arms at the time.
Ah, that’s where it is. I appreciate your reminding me of that thread Panzerknacker, fear not, I shall get round to posting there when time allows.
Thank you also for your pity, though as this is the first time I’ve ever been presented with such I’m quite at a loss as to what I should do with it.
As someone with obviously far more experience in this subject, what do you suggest ?
You also dismiss Zulu_Zulu and his comments as “pityful” [sic], though because he is Royal it probably means as little to him as to myself, but I am interested in why you have taken this view of a new poster.
Is it because you realise that as an eye-witness his statements carry more weight than yours ?
Your refusal to discuss the internal politics of Argentina in the time leading up to and during the invasion, and how it affected the Falkland Islanders is probably far more eloquent than anything you could post.
I realise that it must be irksome to have lost the ability to delete or move posts you find ‘difficult,’ but these questions and comments are very pertinent and deserving of answers here. Emulating an ostrich does you no favours whatsoever.
I may be on the wrong forum , if that is the case , sorry for that -
Looking for Air Recon photos/Pictures of the Port Stanley area -
Been there / 1982
Right forum and welcome to the site. You might have more luck starting a new topic in this forum rather than posting in this topic however!
Thank you for the welcome Sir
Regards Enrique
I realise that it must be irksome to have lost the ability to delete or move posts you find ‘difficult,’ but these questions and comments are very pertinent and deserving of answers here.
It just made the forum a little more messier than usual, but I dont complain, after all my blood pressure is lower now than when I was a Moderator.
My guess is that you dont want to discuss that particular topic at all outside this area , my guess is that you were not interested in the dirty war after all, my guess is your intention in the first time was only to annoy/ disturb/ balls breaking/ etc.
Emulating an ostrich does you no favours whatsoever
Pfff, I have my picture ( wich includes my head incidentally) posted in this forum several time ago, I have no reasons to hide ; I didnt owe anything to anybody, you cannot post even a location below your avatar…who hide and who dont ? who is more brave and who is more coward ? who show it all and who hides it all ?
I am not the one who started a “hate Argentina and argentines” campaign from the darkness.
If you are adult enough to have a proper discussion in the proper area I am willing to educate you and anyother in that issue, if not…pfff :rolleyes: I said before your provocations have no effect on me.
The neutral observer could see from far away your real intentions.
But let take away off this obscure character nicked cuts for a moment:
I need to say something more related with the actual crimes In the Fucklands:
It seems that some Uk born members ( some, not all) are very pissed with the Argentines soldiers, not because some supposed bad treatment to the civilians, but because they DIDNT actually shoot any civilian
They would love to find out that an “argie” soldier blew the head off with a headshot at some benny, they would love to see a blood stained picture with that, yes that would cause a furious orgasm on them, because that will be a a hard fact, a more plausible crime than some of the weak cases against the argentine army.
I have some news for you flock of peniless pub vomiting pistol banning people.
That never happen !!
But of course you can keep searching.:lol:
Panzerknacker, thank you for making the effort to post a reply.
That your post addresses none of the questions or comments anyone has posed comes as a not unexpected, though nonetheless saddening, confirmation of your avoidance of fact.
‘Messier than usual’ meaning you are now confronted by facts you cannot defend.
I am quite willing to discuss the Argentine ‘Dirty War’ outside of this forum and that we shall, but the reason for the original thread entitled ‘Los Desaparecidos’ was to discuss the effect it had on those civilians whose home was invaded, further illumnated to me by the gentleman I mentioned in #164 of this thread.
I all honesty I cannot think of a reason why you whinged at the moderation staff to get it moved, other than in an attempt to avoid some very pertinent questions.
You say your guess is that I wished to annoy you, that neither was nor is the case.
There are many intelligent posters here that can debate a wide range of subjects and oddly enough none of them feel the urge to resort to fits of hysteria when presented with an opposing view.
Your guesses need some serious accurising work.
The phrase used in English about burying one’s head in the sand, ie. to emulate an ostrich means to avoid the point, not to hide oneself away.
However the fact you feel the need to advertise yourself posing with a couple of rather inadequate weapons is your own business, whatever conclusions others may draw should be immaterial to you.
That I choose not to place myself in the public eye is mainly due to PERSEC.
(It’s a soldier thing, therefore outside of your scope of understanding.)
That you imagine yourself ‘brave’ to post such pictures is amusing in itself, is that really your definition of brave ? 
To those that matter my record speaks for itself and needs no amplification on a virtual plane.
Nor indeed am I.
Otherwise I wouldn’t be able to count a couple of ex-members of Ejército Argentino amongst my friends.
Now I knew you had a sense of humour !
That has actually made three of us laugh out loud. Thanks.
I understand you have a slow leak.
Still with that much through traffic one would expect any balloon knot to lose some integrity.
Oh those irritating provocations !
Provocations such as ‘please answer this question’ !
It’s outrageous that people ask you to prove your point !
I mean, why can’t they take everything you say as gospel ?
I think anyone who questions your edicts should be banned !
Or not…
Your alter ego is now Swiss ?
Pretty amazing stuff, particularly as most Swiss are far more confident in themselves than you have ever indicated yourself to be.
Once again your guesswork is severely damaged by your insecure need to show a macho image.
Ag, shame !
If you really feel the need to use profanity try nipping outside and swearing at the moon.
Perhaps then you won’t appear as stupid as you do when you react childishly here.
If you really consider the islands to be so base why do you want them so badly ?
A lack of toys as an even younger child maybe ?
Well in the absence of any argument you certainly demonstrate an advanced fantasy.
As far as I’m aware, (I cannot speak for everyone,) no-one has ever expressed that desire, anyone that imagines that is the case proves they have either a very loose grasp of the facts or an even looser grasp of reality.
Most people are fully aware that however else the Argentine invasion force transgressed the Geneva or Hague Conventions, they did not murder any civilians.
This was due mainly to the actions of Comodoro Carlos Felipe Bloomer-Reeve and Captain Barry Melbourne Hussey, plus of course the normal human desire of the Argentine soldier not to harm innocents.
Besides, the occurrence this forum is concerned with happened nearly twenty-seven years ago when you were how old ?
Two years ?
Barely weaned from the breast.
That you hold such vehemence and bile indicates only that indoctrination has had a profound effect on you.
Nothing of your last post takes issue with the feelings of the Falkland Islanders’ toward the violently authoritarian regard that the government of the time held for civilians.
That begs the question of why your silence on this subject ?
However the fact you feel the need to advertise yourself posing with a couple of rather inadequate weapons is your own business, whatever conclusions others may draw should be immaterial to you
That is a very important part of the argentine ADN, we like to publicite ourselves. We always think that we are better than anybody. The “self-help” book sales are very low aroud here.
Inadequate ? why inadequate ? :shock: a 12 gauge magnum inadequate ? in wich world of fantasy you live? For hare, rabbit, duck, partrigde, pigeon, doves, some foxes and even and unadverted 2 leg intruder it is very useful and the 22 magnum too.
Are you sure you ever shot a firearm man ?, this last part of your reply make me start to doubt about your supposed gun knowledges.
Nor indeed am I.
Otherwise I wouldn’t be able to count a couple of ex-members of Ejército Argentino amongst my friends.
You did, implying that the Army would start to make people dissapear in the islands if it were staying longer in just a filthy campaign and a way to induce hate against the argentine armed forces.
And let me say that your alleged “argentine friends” ( man, you going to wear those poor after naming them so often) if they are real are very naives for having person like you as a friend.
Now I knew you had a sense of humour !
That has actually made three of us laugh out loud. Thanks.
Thank you but I was not kidding.
3 of us ? a crowded PC you got.
Well in the absence of any argument you certainly demonstrate an advanced fantasy.
As far as I’m aware, (I cannot speak for everyone,) no-one has ever expressed that desire, anyone that imagines that is the case proves they have either a very loose grasp of the facts or an even looser grasp of reality.
Most people are fully aware that however else the Argentine invasion force transgressed the Geneva or Hague Conventions, they did not murder any civilians.
Well, is just a teory, i felt some people think in that way.
To be fair, the Argentine soldiers were overwhelmingly decent towards both the Islanders and the few British soldiers/airmen that they captured. There were some incidents which I personally believe were down to the fog of war. That statement is absolutely true by the way; a soldier understands what is going on around him mostly rather than the bigger picture and your field of fire reduces to the area immediately in front of you. Things are very confused hence the term ‘fog’. I think this is to blame with the incidents sich as the white flag at GG and the once I mentioned earlier.
I have no personal issue with Argentines, as I said, I was in BA a few years ago and was treated very well by the veterans I met, especially those from the Argentine Marine Corps and a special thanks to Santiago Aversa who looked after me excellently.
That aside, Argentina does have a dark past under the juntas and the likes of Dowling and Astiz showed themselves for the bullies that they were. Witness for example the meek surrender of the latter. These people and their ilk are a stain on the history of Argentina and I find your defence of that period of your history very puzzling.
I found Argentina and especially BA a fantastic place. BA is possibly the greatest city I have experienced and I have seen many. As for the women… wow! I was grateful for two thing; 1) I spent a few days there ostensibly single and 2) that I learned latin dancing as a child, it turned out very useful.
The issue of this subject being emotive is true enough, but it is noticeable that the emotional outbursts seem only to emanate from one direction.
If I took it into my head to throw a tantrum whenever a thread on, for example, the battles of the Western Desert didn’t go my way, I would be regarded by sensible adults as being either stupid or childish - or both.
There may be some truth in this, but on the other hand certain members here seem to take a small amount of pleasure in trying to wind up certain other members, especially other members whose command of the English language and nuances therein is not as good as native English speakers.
To be honest Im not even sure that this section is worth the bother of having it. It quickly becomes cyclical, its a bit like discussing NI or the Middle East. Everyone has an opinon on the merits of it and almost no one changes that opinion despite endless prattle back and forth.
(My bold.)
Shame you manage to bite off more than you can chew, eh ?
Keep taking the pills. 
Yes, for those quarry a twelve is fine, indeed a .177 is ‘adequate’ for yet smaller game and pests, but should your ultimate end be something larger they are indeed inadequate.
That said, you have exhibited a desire for a larger weapon than you presently possess, for other uses. viz.
It’s a good job that the present government is more liberal than the one you purport to espouse, else that sort of comment would enable you to join the ranks of those who took a poorly equipped AFF cse over the Atlantic.
What you think about me personally is utterly immaterial, you just don’t matter in the real world as you are of no importance.
Nor indeed am I.
Otherwise I wouldn’t be able to count a couple of ex-members of Ejército Argentino amongst my friends. [/quote]
You did, implying that the Army would start to make people dissapear in the islands if it were staying longer in just a filthy campaign and a way to induce hate against the argentine armed forces.[/QUOTE]
No you are incorrect, I do not hate Argentina or the Argentine people.
If you took the time to read my posts you would see that I am actually pointing out that the civilian inhabitants had a very real fear of the Argentine government’s continuing policies it was happy to use in it’s own country for the period it was in temporary possession of the Falklands.
The junta that instigated the invasion had a long and dark history of treating their own citizens very badly, and I don’t think you really believe that they would suddenly have developed a biting sense of conscience toward foreign nationals whose home they had just invaded.
Having the thugs Astiz and Dowling posted to the Islands is a huge combat indicator that they would have continued in a manner that had up to then suited them very well.
‘So often’ ?
I have given the Christian name of one gentleman who is currently residing outside of your borders.
Once.
If once to you means often it would explain quite a number of your posts.
(Though in that vein perhaps you would be better served if your outlandish fantasies were kept to your private moments.)
(My bold.)
Perhaps your lively fantasy is limited to subjects about which you know nothing.
Your multitude of posts show you are adept at the use of a computer, but do you really imagine that everyone with whom you communicate on the net are actually inside the computer ?
If you read a post that disagrees with you do you pick the computer up and shake to punish the wrongdoer inside ?
Without wishing to give you any great shock, the fact is that more than one person can view a single pc monitor at any one time. (Think of it as being like a television.)
Also - now ready yourself for this revelation - several people are able to view the net at any one time - from different locations !
As a theory, (ie. a proposed explanation the status of which is conjectural as opposed to a well-established proposition reporting matters of actual fact,) it hasn’t passed the first cursory glance, but thank you anyway for the continued insight into your mindset.
For some reason, the system thinks this message is too short to be posted, so I am adding this nonsense to see if I canmake my post go through.
Pánzon - the minimun post length filter doesn’t count anything inside a quote box. This is intended to make the life of members who spam the forum with zero-content posts harder.
Many thanks for the clarification PDF, I went mad for a minute thinking that it was gonna be one of this oportunities in which you elaborate a post just to be obliterated by a system that is behaving strangely!
Pánzon.
(My bold.)
Nor I.
I have been to La Plata a couple of times where I was met with open hospitality and both offered and received warmth and respect. Those I met were normal blokes with normal feelings and no animosity.
This is why I am somewhat at a loss to understand why someone who was too young to even remember the conflict can harbour such vehement bitterness toward anyone who questions the Junta’s actions.
Pánzon, thanks for a calm, collected and polite post.
It seems the main reason people were under the impression that Astiz had comd on South Georgia was his own self-aggrandisement.
Lt Cdr Luis Lagos, the real OC all Argentine troops on South Georgia surrendered on 26 Apr 82 in a British Antarctic Survey building before the news-hungry television crews could cover it.
Astiz, showing his customary hollow bravado, insisted on signing a separate document (on HMS Plymouth,) in front of photographers.
His narcissism proved to be his undoing as his name and photograph was circulated in the world’s press, although he was inaccurately described as the commander of Argentine forces on South Georgia.
This then led to Sweden, then later France, asking the British government and the ICRC to hand over Astiz to answer various charges of crimes committed against their citizens. Before this could be done the Junta informed the Brits that the three journalists arrested in Argentina on espionage charges would be taken very ill if El Ángel Rubio de la Muerte didn’t come straight home.
I believe he was pardoned during the democratic transition but this was later rescinded.
Do you know what his sentence is Pánzon ?
Yes, for those quarry a twelve is fine, indeed a .177 is ‘adequate’ for yet smaller game and pests, but should your ultimate end be something larger they are indeed inadequate.
That said, you have exhibited a desire for a larger weapon than you presently possess, for other uses. viz.
Ha, ha, ha, so I didnt own a 12 gauge and a 22 magnum ?
take this , watch and learn.
http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5358&page=7
And by the way neither of my airguns is .177 the .177 is for wussies like you.
I would put a picture of the Bersa 9mm, but I dont want to scare you much.
And the next time you try to imply that I am a liar you better think twice stupid fuck.
Thread locked for 24 hours. Pity as it has actually been quite interesting, but one of you had to spoil it by swearing at another. Take it to PMs in future!
Right, I’m reopening this thread. To reiterate, the Falklands/Malvinas forum is full of potentially emotive topics. If it is discussed politely then it’s a great addition to the site, but a number of threads have shown a distressing tendency to degenerate into slagging matches. That is totally unacceptable.
There is already serious consideration being given to just deleting this sub-forum, on the grounds that it is too much hassle for the moderators and just causes fights. While the balance of opinion at the moment is towards keeping it, if there are more instances like the above you will probably lose the forum. You have been warned!