Great Westerns

being a bit of layperson I don’t do socialogy/psychology-speak, old chap, but I do have a fairly rounded grasp of the human experience - cause and effect etc. - and its complexities. Maralyn’s would have been as of nothing if not for her sexuality and her hunger for fame…

Well, in that case I think that the most functional conclusion of this case is: Don’t take your partner for granted, Marylin, open your eyes – and make some money first. You know, maintaining love isn’t automatic. :neutral:

Volenti non fit injuria!

Unusquisque tantum iuris habet, quantum potentia valere creditur, carissime amice! Cetteram censeo amare et saperre vix deo conceditur. :wink:

And now, back to our main theme. I was always truly amazed by the fact that probably the best example of poetic allegory in Western genre, unfairly overlooked film created by Mr. Nicholas Ray – “Johnny Guitar”!

Sterling Hayden as Johnny “Guitar” Logan

By watching this film you will be able to understand why Joan Crawford always will remain a vivid reminder of the true glamour that made Hollywood great, while Sterling Hayden’s strong, rugged features, determined yet kindly, emanated this otherwise fascinating character (seaman, maritime historian, volunteer of the USMC, Silver Star wearer, and card-equipped member of the Communist Party of the USA) into an ideal “pioneer type” – the super-all-American-boy capable to defeat any kind of enemy.

An excellent short-clip from this film is available here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41Cxr7wBtnI&feature=related

Enjoy! :smiley:

Of interest, especially on this board is Sterling Hayden’s war record. If you haven’t checked it out here’s a piece:

he left Hollywood to serve as an undercover agent with William J. Donovan’s COI office. He remained there after it became the OSS. Hayden also joined the Marines under the name John Hamilton (which was never his legal name). His World War II service included running guns through German lines to the Yugoslav partisans and parachuting into fascist Croatia. He won the Silver Star and a commendation from Yugoslavia’s Marshal Tito.

Thank you for that information, my dear Mr. Hawkeye. Right now I am unable to find that pretty unknown photo of Mr. Hayden taken during the war in Yugoslavia, but I shall try to bring to light this forgotten piece of history as soon as possible. It was printed in a Yugoslav book some 32 years ago…

Of course, you can expect further presentations about forgotten Western film masterpieces as well. The only problem is that my scanner is a little bit overheated these days… But next week surely will bring into being another shipment of color snapshots connected with this intriguing theme.

Till then, as always – all the best. :slight_smile:

Quantrill’s raiders

Looking for more on Hayden I found this very interesing article, not trying to hijack the thread but this is too good. Hayden had a very very interesting military career.

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USMC/USMC-OSS/USMC-OSS-6.html

Does anyone know why all the OSS agents in Yugoslavia were US Marines??

Or sort out your priorities first.

You know, maintaining love isn’t automatic. :neutral:
Well, thank you, Dr Love, for your pearls of wisdom!

Unusquisque tantum iuris habet, quantum potentia valere creditur, carissime amice! Cetteram censeo amare et saperre vix deo conceditur. :wink:

I have trouble agreeing with that.

Would that be Spinoza or Nietzche?

My all time favorite western would have to be the TV miniseries “Lonesome Dove”

Lonesome Dove
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lonesome_Dove


Actor Robert Duvall portraying Augustus “Gus” McCrae.

Lonesome Dove series
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lonesome_Dove_series

Well, who can forget the classic Mel Brooks comedy “Blazing Saddles?” A film that comically addressed race relations and skewered the cliches of Western films at the same time…

I think my favorite part of the film is Brook’s rendition of fearless leader Governor William J. Lepetomane and his “assistant.”

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071230/

George shakes his head and grins…:smiley:

“Work, work, work, work, work, work, work, hello boys, get a good nights rest?, I missed you”

“We’ll work up a number 6 on 'em”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UM9GjnTFIM&feature=related

The first series of Lonsome Dove was brilliant, particularly, for me, on account of Robert Duval. But I think Open Range has it beat on accountof the addition of the very gorgeous Annette Benning:

http://www3.sympatico.ca/chris.irie/images/infotainment/open_range.jpg

youtube - Open Range final shootout part 1:
http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=lq3zjTmVLbM&feature=related

In no particular order.

Silverado.

The Good, the bad & the ugly.

Once upon a time in the west.

Dances with Wolves.

My name is Nobody.

Great Scout & Cathouse Tuesday.

Yet again, after a busy day we are finaly able to continue with our tasks here and to answer certain questions. Therefore - here we go! :smiley:

Or sort out your priorities first.

Absolutely, my dear Mr 32 Bravo. And above all: stop to indulge yourself in the illusions of discounted hope, and especially stop listening to the song of that siren of easy success that transforms us into empty creatures, Marilyn!

Having arrived in California, Norma Jean Dougherty managed to get a decent job at Radioplane as an assembler on the OQ-3 production line. Her rise to fame and subsequent demise might be said to have properly begun on 26th of June 1945, when a photographer David Conover was sent to “Radioplane” by his commanding officer, one Captain Ronald Reagan, to photograph new heroes of the Free World – women war workers.

Norma Jean Dougherty as Rosie the Riveter, “Yank” - August, 1945

The camera and the photographer loved Norma Jean and he persuaded her to model for more photos, which soon were circulating in Hollywood. A screen test, a change of name and a career very different from assembling robot planes quickly followed. The rest, as they say, is history…

Well, thank you, Dr Love, for your pearls of wisdom!

Oh, not at all, my dear young man. I always will be at your service. :slight_smile:

Heterosexuality, (William H. Masters, Virginia E. Johnson & Robert C. Kolodny), Harper & Collins - 1994, p. 15

But… honestly, I never liked that quite a preposterous claim. Therefore, please - just call me Doc, as everyone else. :wink:

Would that be Spinoza or Nietzche?

Eminentissime Amice,
Ex literis tuis de datis elementer intelleximus, que tibi per exploratorum significationem de rebus iuris et occurentis innoterunt, quam diligentiam tuam probamui et gratiose suscipimus te requirentes, omni que deinde statim est - tamen dixi quod volui, amice. Specta Google - esse potest qemadmodum iste significatio extradeat tibi publicae! :smiley:

And now, back on our main theme in this thread – good old Westerns.

Therefore, how about the “Gunfight at the O.K. Corral”, honorable ladies and gentlemen? Although director John Sturges has been accused of being to sentimental a director in his relation to real history, there was always real power behind that sentiment. The camera placement, the simple yet effective symbolism, and the flair for spectacle, as in the brilliantly handled action scenes, the real “feel” of the old, dusty but still glamourized West have earned Mr. Sturges a reputation as one of the great directors.

For the most part Gunfight at the O. K. Corral offers high-powered drama, rather than straightforward action. Nevertheless, two main actors have successfully achieved excellent roles. Especially Mr. Kirk Douglas was very capable in picturing basically imperfect man as a composite, but undoubtedly positive, morally firm human being.

BTW: Mr. Douglas – although not a WW2 hero – was a very dear guest of the former SFRY, and he met president Tito in numerous occasions. This one originates from 1969.

Josip Broz Tito and Mr. Kirk Douglas, Brioni – 1969

Well, that’s all for today. In the meantime, honorable ladies and gentlemen – all the best! :wink:

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I enjoyed “Open Range” too. Another great western with Robert Duvall :slight_smile:
The later westerns like “Lonesome Dove” and “Open Range” have put a lot more emphasis on authenticity. Great costumes and sound…

I remember Robert Duvall being asked in an interview once if he had a favorite role from all the movies of his career and his response was Gus McCrae in Lonesome Dove.

I think Diane Lane (Lorena in Lonesome Dove) gave the lovely Annette Benning a good run for the money…

For me Lonesome Dove is an epic classic.

Lonesome Dove - Theme Song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHTvbfJQIxY

Lonesome Dove - What’s a poke?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYzZPiqjqww
Diane Lane and Robert Duvall

Lonesome Dove - the leaving
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBXxI2rXl9A

Lonesome Dove: Some Old Men Get Respect
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVBjBClBSao

Lonesome Dove - Call fights with Army Scout
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEwADbas7L0

Lonesome Dove Shot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23UhypY-pUg

Lonesome Dove - Gus Dies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deV68rbsNyQ

Lonesome Dove - Captain Call takes Gus’s body back to Texas for burial
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohI2Km8POh4

Lonesome Dove - Ending
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBSr4xPh2fA

MORE - Lonesome Dove
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=lonesome+dove&aq=f

Broken Trail (2006) another great western TV miniseries starring Robert Duvall.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_Trail

Broken Trail - Last Gun Fight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMPV22-j2fs

Broken Trail - Ending and Credits
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usAArRKDH4s

“We’re all travelers in this world, from the sweet grass to the packing house,
birth till death, we travel between the eternities…” from the movie.

Yes, do like it.

I think Diane Lane (Lorena in Lonesome Dove) gave the lovely Annette Benning a good run for the money…

Not bad, George http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g133/llad12/lorena.jpg

but for a mature woman, and looks, Annette has the edge - only my opinion, George.

Happily, happily passed those days!
While the cheerful Jumblies staid;
They danced in circlets all night long,
To the plaintive pipe of the lively Dong,
In moonlight, shine, or shade.
For day and night he was always there
By the side of the Jumbly Girl so fair,
With her sky-blue hands, and her sea-green hair.
Till the morning came of that hateful day
When the Jumblies sailed in their sieve away,
And the Dong was left on the cruel shore
Gazing–gazing for evermore,–
Ever keeping his weary eyes on
That pea-green sail on the far horizon,–
Singing the Jumbly Chorus still
As he sate all day on the grassy hill,–
‘Far and few, far and few,
Are the lands where the Jumblies live;
Their heads are green, and their hands are blue
And they went to sea in a sieve.’

Yes, do like it.

I think Diane Lane (Lorena in Lonesome Dove) gave the lovely Annette Benning a good run for the money…

Not bad, George http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g133/llad12/lorena.jpg

but for a mature woman, and looks, Annette has the edge - only my opinion, George.[/QUOTE]

Not a problem 32Bravo :wink:

I think they are both attractive women, it’s difficult for me to choose between them…


Annette Benning (Open Range)


Diane Lane (Lonesome Dove)

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Lovely jubiley…that’s my girl!

Fools rush in…
definately a potential Victoria’s Secrets model… in fact I think I prefer this shot and the outfit to anything I’ve seen of Victoria’s Secrets, including the current commercial offers :slight_smile: - Mmmmmh !

Thank you, George!

Their heads are green, and their hands are blue
And they went to sea in a sieve.’

There was a brave damsel of Brighton,
Whom nothing could possibly frighten;
She plunged in the sea,
And, with infinite glee,
Sailed away on the back of a Triton. :frowning:

I call you bad, my little child,
Upon the title page,
Because a manner rude and wild
Is common at your age.