Is respect of people not in built-up solely by their actions and achievements?
First: Hello to the group because I’m new here 
Hitler has written like he has talked and therefor the book “Mein Kampf” has no clear structur. Even for an native german speaker like me it is very difficult to read this book an to understand everything.
So is your “Mein Kampf” a translation? Then you can believe me, that the translator has also not understood everything or have you read the german one?
In “Mein Kampf” Hitler said, that if the german nation cannot win the war against his enemys it is not allowed to survive. And he also said that if this happens he is also not allowed to survive. I don’t think that it is good idea to admire a person ho would blast his own people to hell.
Do you really think that the germans are not great people anymore? After 60 Years of peace Germany is smaller than it was when burned nearly the hole world? Do you know Germany?
Please don’t be angry with me henk but for a German it is difficult to read things like that.
Ben
P.S. Please excuse my bad english :lol:
Hallo Ben! Wilkommen!
Either British members will agree or not, bad English is an international language (they will say "Unfortunatelly! 
)
Unfortunatelly I’d say as well because I feel that between both of you are a problem of communication. I am quite sure that Henk will try to reply promptly.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/725537.stm
Recently I saw a “Hidden places” documentary on Discovery Civilizations Channel. Amongst other more or less interesting places in Moskow, they (on “they” I named the Russians) showed also that piece of skull.
Unfortunatelly I didn’t paid attention to the documentary year of making :oops: .
Hallo Ben! Wilkommen!
Either British members will agree or not, bad English is an international language (they will say "Unfortunatelly! )[/quote]
I know plenty of British people who can’t speak English aswell as the guys on this forum!
Let me repeat myself for the sake of sanity
What was left of the charred bones of Mr and Mrs Hitler found at the chancellory were moved several times to different burial sites over the years. Whether the few bits in Moscow are all that is left is a good question. There have to be some more out there somewhere and no one speaks of Eva Braun’s remains which the KGB kept moving and re-buring with Hitler’s. Where are the bulk of the pair’s remains? Perhaps still in the last unknown KGB burial site?
This was all documented and forensic investigators went to the sites and used ground penetrating radar to see if anything coulf be found. At each site disturbed areas underground remained but no remains did. This was on TV with interviews of the ex-KGB personnel involved.
Hi Ben and welcome to our group.
No I am not mad at you. I admire the Germans verry much and if you read my othe rposts you will notice that I love German technolagy. They are was and still are a great nation. My family came from Germany a long time ago and I am proud to say that they come from Germany. The english version that I have are very clear. I have not read the whole book yet, it is good that you reminded me of it I will try to get to it. I am a Afrikaans speaking person and not a English person and I still have a problem spelling.
I am quite reasonable person and do not think that I will get mad at you about your post. What I meant is at the time Hitler ruled people in the world thought that it was a bad place to live in. I meant that if Hitler did not do all those bad things the world would have thought other wise. Germany were still a great country after the war allthough it was in ruins. Hitler did do great things for Germany and bad things.
Do you now understand what I meant? I did not put it clearly I appolagise for it.
Henk
Ok, this thread went out of topic but,
Henk,
I work in a bank and yesterday i had to go to the 80 Birthday of a customer of mine. And as usual on such meetings the old men talk about the war. (That’s wy I’m interessted in) But the old men don’t talk about the regime, they don’t talk about the “every-day-life” in germany of the early 40’s because they fear the system. Can you imagine? 60 years after the war our old soldiers talk about the food, the weather, the winter and thinks like that. Of course they are also ashame of what had happend.
And when you talk with those people you will learn no one liked Hitler, no one voted him no one knows anything. The system has made them fear their neighboors. Living in 12 years of nazi terrorism made people silent.
In germany you can not say i love my country, because most people will look at you and say behind your back: perhaps, he is an neo-nazi or he sympathizes them. But i like my country and my people, not for Hitler, not for the two world wars but i will tell you:
I like germany for Nitzsche, Schiller, Bach, Goethe, Reuchlin, Albert Einstein, i like germany because we invented the car, Mercedes-Benz. But in school in germany you learn mostly this:
“Ein Volk von Dichtern und Denkern zu Richtern und Henkern”
I will translate it: People of Poems and Inventers become Judges and Excecuters
The reason for me to join this group was that i would like to understand what my grandfather and father have done. I would like to understand wy they become judges and Excecuters. And in germany you cannot ask anyone because no one talkes about that.
I respect you for your sight but i cannot understand how anyone can see anything good in Hitler and his germany. As a german i can say Hitler has done nothing good to us.
Good post mate. I lived in Germany for many years and I liked the country and the people very much.
Netither they or I mentioned the wars though! In fact I believe the Bundeswehr do not discuss anything before 1954 when they were set up.
Welcome aboard anyway and hope you continue to contribute.
Agree!! :arrow:
I agree with you Ben and what I just said was that Hitler did do dood things but most of his deeds was evil.
I am not saying that Hitler was good, he was Evil and he could never be made as a good man. What good did he do, Took Germany out of the depresion years and into a stable econnamy, he made sure that there are a autobahn, and my best one that he did is to make sure that we have Volkswagen today and the famous car the Beatle or Volksie like we call it here.
Do you now understand what I am trying to say. So do not be mad at me.
Henk
I think it is ok for now!
Ben lets just agree to disagree.
Henk
Few off-topic posts were deleted.
Hitler’s ghost was roaming about Europe until 1970
http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/90/363/15422_hitler.html
His mortal remains were reburied 8 times and eventually destroyed by fire
Adolf Hitler put down his own funeral arrangements back in 1938 as he dreamt of the world domination and his worldwide glory. He wished to be laid to rest in the city of Lintz, in a giant burial vault of the National Socialist Party. A golden sepulcher decorated with gems from the Ural Mountains should have been installed in the center of the vault. A badly charred corpse of Hitler was found in a bomb crater in the Imperial Chancellery’s garden 60 years ago. His mortal remains were reburied 8 times and eventually destroyed by fire.
The first burial took place on April 30th, 1945. The Fuhrer, his newly-fledged wife Eva Braun, and his two dogs were buried in the garden of the Imperial Chancellery. A Russian soldier Ivan Churakov found two unidentified corpses in a crater on May 4th. The Russians removed the remains but put them back into the ground on the same day because Hitler’s body was thought to have been already found. On May 5th the remains were dug out and moved to a clinic in the town of Buch. The medical examination of the remains took place on May 8th. The remains were interred for the 4th time in a town of Finov, to which the department of SMERSH (Russian acronym for “Death to the spies”, a counterintelligence branch of the Soviet military intelligence during WWII) of the 3rd Soviet Army was re-deployed. The remains were inhumed for the 5th time on May 17th following data re-examination conducted by General Meshik who arrived from Moscow. The report on data re-examination and the jaws allegedly belonging to Hitler and Braun were hand-carried by the general to Moscow. And the remains were laid into the ground two more times after the army headquarters changed locations. Finally, the caskets containing the remains were laid in the grave in Magdeburg. The caskets were put into the ground near the house No36 in Westendstrasse. That is where Hitler’s remains were eventually annihilated on April 5th, 1970. The remains were destroyed by fire, reduced to aches, mixed with charcoal, and thrown into the river Bideritz. There were a lot of problems arising from identification of Hitler’s remains from the very beginning. The witnesses’ accounts varied, and witnesses were hard to find. The Soviet military intelligence personnel were combing Berlin and the surrounding areas in their efforts to find witnesses. Josef Stalin was advised of Hitler’s demise by Marshal Georgi Zhukov when sent a report to the Soviet leader on May 1st, 1945. According to the report, Adolf Hitler was said to have committed suicide on April 30th at 15.50 local time.
The SMERH department of the 3rd Soviet army played a special role in the search for Hitler’s remains. Colonel Vasily Garbushin, deputy chief of SMERSH department, was reported to have been personally instructed by Colonel General Ivan Serov, deputy commander of the 1st Belarussian Front, to launch a search operation and locate the corpse of Hitler.
Soviet soldiers removed two badly charred bodies from a crater in the Imperial Chancellery’s garden on May 4th. But the bodies of a man and a woman were soon put back into the ground because the officers of the 3rd army were for some reason convinced that Hitler’s corpse had been already found and was undergoing identification at that point of time. It is evident that some previously found mortal remains were not the body of Hitler and the search went on. The SMERSH personnel headed by Ivan Klimenko went back to the garden on an early morning on May 5th. The two bodies were again removed from the crater. A commission was set up to conduct forensic study including an autopsy of the dead bodies “presumed to be Hitler and his wife.” But the bodies were charred almost beyond recognition, therefore, identification was impossible unless additional data were available. Another SMERSH group managed to capture Kete Hoiserman who was an assistant to the Fuhrer’s personal dentist. She helped to locate X-ray pictures and dental records of the Nazi leadership. The assistant identified the golden dentures worn by Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun. The identification examination was carried out on May 8th, 1945. There is an amazing discrepancy in the report of identification. The document says that the examination was conducted by order of Comrade Telegin, a member of the Military Council of the 1st Byelorussian Front dated May 3rd, 1945. However, the corpse of Hitler was reportedly found either on May 5th or May 4th.
There were lots of rumors circulating in Berlin those days about Hitler’s doubles and his miraculous escape to Argentina or Spain by plain or submarine. Marshal Zhukov fueled the controversy when he said on a press conference held on June 10th, 1945: “We do not have any mortal remains that have been identified as a corpse of Hitler, I can not tell you anything regarding his destiny.” Years later in Moscow, Elena Rzhevskaya, an interpreter with one of the SMERSH key units involved in the hunt for Hitler’s remains, told Marshal Zhukov about the discovery of Hitler’s body. The allies did not share information on progress regarding the search for Hitler’s mortal remains. “Hitler’s corpse in not in our possession,” said Josef Stalin during the Potsdam conference in July 1945.
All information and documents pertaining to Hitler’s mortal remains were classified. Those involved in the search were told to keep it dark and they obeyed the orders implicitly since all the personnel were part of the Soviet counterintelligence apparatus. All the documents relating to the investigation were submitted to Josef Stalin for consideration on June 16th, 1945. The Soviet government made no statement on the outcome of the search operation for Adolf Hitler and his henchmen. Perhaps numerous discrepancies in the accounts of the witnesses and examination reports are to blame for the lack of an official statement.
The story about the search for Hitler’s remains is quite murky. It is not for nothing that a new investigation launched in 1946 had a code name Myth. A special team of NKVD (Soviet government’s secret-police organization) was again searching for Hitler in Germany nine months after the above events. They were looking for him dead or alive. The investigators conducted additional excavations on the site where the bodies of Hitler and Braun were discovered. They found a part of the cranium with a bullet hole on the left-side parietal bone.
Incidentally, the examination report on the charred mortal remains dated May 8th, 1945, says that “a cranium is partially missing.” The investigators also discovered some blood stains on the upholstery of a couch in Hitler’ bunker where he reportedly shot himself. The cranium and parts of the couch were sent to Moscow. The State Archive of the Russian Federation still keeps those pieces of “material evidence.”
The jaws of Hitler removed in May 1945 are kept by the FSB archive.
Finally, on March 13th, 1970, the head of the KGB Yuri Andropov filed a letter for the attention of Leonid Brezhnev, General Secretary of the Soviet Communist Party Central Committee. The letter carried a mark saying “very important.” A special technique used during the preparation of the letter highlighted its utmost secrecy. The type-written letter contained a few hand-written inserts with regard to the most classified information.
The letter said, quote, “In February 1946, on the premises of our military camp located in Magdeburg, the KGB’s Special Department under the 3rd army carried out a burial of the corpses of Hitler, Eva Braun, Goebbels, Goebbels’ wife and their children. In total, 10 corpses were buried. In line with operating expediency complying with the interests of our troops, the above military camp is about to be transferred to the German authorities. Taking into account a possibility of construction or other earthmoving operations on the location that may result in the discovery of the burial site, I hereby suggest that the remains be exhumed and destroyed by incineration. The procedure will be conducted in total secrecy by a team of operatives of the Special Department of the KGB. The procedure will be properly documented,” unquote. On March 16th, the letter was agreed by Brezhnev, Kosygin, and Podgorny i.e. the top authorities of the Soviet Union at the time, the General Secretary of the Soviet Communist Party’s Central Committee, the Chairman of the Council of Ministers, and the Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, respectively.
The operation for the final destruction of the remains was dubbed Archive. A special team of the KGB operatives followed the instructions with great care and did everything as planned. They dug out the remains in the wee hours of the morning on April 5th, 1970. Then they put the bones into the boxes and later that morning conducted “physical destruction” of the remains.
However…
Lets imagine:
-Hitler didnt die in Berlin…
-He Escaped whith his “fellowship”…
-He lived lucky until his end…
-He would have died years ago … for sure!!! nobody gets that old!
So some questions doesnt make any sense after some time has passed!
Hitler was (in my opinion) an ASSHOLE!!!
So dont pay any more tribute to him by talking about him.
Greetz from Germany