invade Russia at the end of ww2?

system · August 27, 2005, 9:51pm

I’m still waiting for any of the Thug Club to explain how the US is to blame for the actions of the USSR after WWII or how the US could have pushed them out of Eastern Europe.

Make sure you provide historical references to support this assholian contention.

system · August 27, 2005, 9:51pm

IRONMAN:

[quote=Hosenfield]Luftwaffe Flak-Einheiten, including III Flak-Korps and other battalions ~ 94,444
Luftwaffe Flieger-Einheiten ~ 120,000
LuftwaffeBoden-Einheiten ~ 116-126,000
Kriegesmarine ~ 100,000
OT/RAD/NSKK ~ 70-90,000
HiWi and Ostruppen ~ 67,000

THere were many non-army personnel, too. france does face the sea and is in the path of allied bombers.

in any event, with losses totaling 289,000,( Joachim Ludewig’s Der Deutsche Rückzug aus Frankreich 1944) , the vast majority of the german army were able to escape normandy.

“But, most infantry divisions were of good quality and several consisted of battle-hardened veterans from the Eastern front.”

No. Many of the infantry divisions were static divisions and poorly equipped. Many static divisions had almost no personnel with combat experience and spent the war louging around in france.

THe infantry divisions that did a tour of duty in the ostfront were insanely depleted. All that was left were battle-hardened Ncos/officers. The private soldiers were either mediocrely trained conscripts(4 months training) or half-trained conscripts.

In that sense, most of the german soldiers in normandy never saw combat before. A lot were unreliable conscripts from foreign nations. Mongolians, Cossacks, Georgians, Muslims, chinese, ukranian, czechs, rumanians, italians, etc. This is hardly the german army of 1939-1943.

IE. even elite units, like the 17th SS, 3rd Fallashimager division, did not even complete their training yet in time for the invaision!. In the case of 3rd Fallshimager, Only one regiment, von der heyte’s regiment 6 was combat ready.

:lol: So now you’ve resorted to trying to undermine the conflict between American and German forces to support you ridiculous claim that the US could have pushed the USSR aside and taken over Eastern Europe, even though the USSR got there first. That’s sad.[/quote]

IRONMAN - the treaty of potsdam (influential with relation to Yalta in Feb 1945) discussed the partiition of Europe. The end of the war saw Germany and much of Eastern Europe under the control of the Soviets - Their satellite and “buffer” states (having been invaded 3 times in the last 35 years htey were understandably paranoid)
The Potsdam agreement made between the Allied forces if it had been upheld would have seen the Soviet Troops fall back to their pre-determined positions and the Western forces of France UK and USA advance to fill the gap. It would not have been a military matter to have advanced to Berlin merely a large scale paper chase in the Afetermath of the war.

It was thought un-necessary by the US to pursue this aspect of Potsdam and instead the Borders of control were settled on as being those that were in place at the end of Hostilities. This is the only Reason that the Western Forces never pushed through to Berlin It would not have been a fight to reach Berlin it would merely have been even handed diplomacy.

Invading Russia is another matter!

FUCK OFF YOU TROLL

system · August 27, 2005, 9:59pm

Bluffcove:

IRONMAN - the treaty of potsdam (influential with relation to Yalta in Feb 1945) discussed the partiition of Europe. The end of the war saw Germany and much of Eastern Europe under the control of the Soviets - Their satellite and “buffer” states (having been invaded 3 times in the last 35 years htey were understandably paranoid)
The Potsdam agreement made between the Allied forces if it had been upheld would have seen the Soviet Troops fall back to their pre-determined positions and the Western forces of France UK and USA advance to fill the gap. It would not have been a military matter to have advanced to Berlin merely a large scale paper chase in the Afetermath of the war.

It was thought un-necessary by the US to pursue this aspect of Potsdam and instead the Borders of control were settled on as being those that were in place at the end of Hostilities. This is the only Reason that the Western Forces never pushed through to Berlin It would not have been a fight to reach Berlin it would merely have been even handed diplomacy.

Invading Russia is another matter!

FUCK OFF YOU TROLL

So, I’m still waiting for you, Bluffy, to provide historical references that show that the US is to blame for the actions of the Soviet Union after WWII, or that the US could have simply forced the USSR to give up the Eastern European nations.

Having trouble finding that evidence?

system · August 27, 2005, 10:22pm

I never said the US were to blame. So I feel no need to show any sources supporting that view.

I said that It was not thought wise by anyone after the war to press on to take Russia. or even to recover Berlin.

NOW FUCK OFF

system · August 27, 2005, 11:50pm

Uh huh. So, you have not founf your proof yet Bluffy? Awwwwww.

system · August 27, 2005, 11:55pm

Never said that the US was to blame.

that would be “YANK BASHING”
now whilst i have Yanked and I have Bashed I havent combined the two on WW2incolor. So i have no need to find sources to substatiate this

STOP trolling

NOW FUCK OFF

system · August 28, 2005, 12:00am

OK, so now you are saying that the US is not to blame? Come on kid. Pick an opinion and stick with it. Don’t be wishy-washy.

system · August 28, 2005, 12:14am

I said:

It was not practical to press the advance because everyone was tired and wanted to go home, the plan had been for us western allies to go further west (POTSDAM) but that in the end we all threw in the towel got on the bus and left much of Eastern Europe for Jo to clear up.

ok?

NOW FUCK OFF

system · August 28, 2005, 12:19am

OK. As long as you aren’t still supporting those contentions like you were.

ww2fanatic1944 · August 28, 2005, 12:20am

ironman please go back and find the quote where someone blamed the US for not attacking Russia, instead of just blaiming everyone that posts in this topic for being anti american. which by the way is absurb, because many of the posters in this topic are american, and are more loyal to their country then you apparently are…

system · August 28, 2005, 12:21am

ww2fanatic thankyou, feels like the cavalry JUST arrived,

IRONMAN FUCK OFF

ww2fanatic1944 · August 28, 2005, 12:24am

hehe any time… :lol:

system · August 28, 2005, 12:28am

Surely you don’t think that people believe that smack. Please, don’t allow yourself to suppose that things have to be stated in the plainest of language to understand it.

Come on now.

However, I suggest that we return to topic. How about we discuss why it was ridiculous for the US to consider attacking Russia at the end of WWII?

ww2fanatic1944 · August 28, 2005, 12:30am

ah admitting defeat now, ironman?

system · August 28, 2005, 12:31am

That never was the topic.
and you havent shown where we said any of those things, this is absurd.

MODS

NOW FUCK OFF

system · August 28, 2005, 12:38am

You are dillusioned.

ww2fanatic1944 · August 28, 2005, 12:43am

i am dillusioned!? your the one making up quotes, and blaiming random people for being anti american. im sorry, but your the one who is dillusioned.

system · August 28, 2005, 12:48am

careful, He’ll accuse you of being a liberal next!

mike_M · August 28, 2005, 12:57am

Your acting like one. You cant backup what you say so you resort to name calling. I have a big vocabulary too but I will not stoop to your level and be rude and obnoxious in my post.

system · August 28, 2005, 1:03am

That is most probably because I am a liberal…

A liberal that plans to make a living through putting holes in other peoples bodies. So dont suggest that Im in PETA or anything like that.