Is this photo a fake?!

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#21

Hello Rising Sun,

I’m trying to avoid ridiculous hair-splitting here, which this issue does not merit in any way; 7.62mm seems close enough to 7.7mm for someone to understand the fact that Japanese airplanes mounted this size–which we often called .30cal as well–and that this appears to be what has pierced the 40mm. The weight figure is deliberately approximate and based upon John Campbell, which is all I had at hand & cared to grab. For those whose minds require more minute details, I will leave that digging up to them, although in any case it has no bearing on the authenticity of this old image.

#22

yeah…the kamikaze aspect is BS, since i’m pretty certain Zeros and other japanese planes didn’t come with Browning M2 .50 cal MGs as standard equipment…lol…given the placement of the charging handle cutout in the reciever…

now, this could have come from a US plane since it looks like the stripped down version used in fighter aircraft wing mount.

#23

Hello,

Actually the 12.7mm Japanese aerial machineguns were Browning designs…
read about it here:
http://www.warbirdforum.com/jaafmgs.htm

And the pic is real, as there are different views of the same 40mm skewered by the Japanese MG.

Enjoy!

#24

standing corrected…lol…yeah, i can buy that…that would explain what looked like a M1919 barrel shroud on a .50 cal…

#25

Why would anyone wish to fake this photo ???

While interesting, it makes no point of any importance.

It just shows a rifle caliber MG which has been thrown into the flash hider of a 40mm AA gun.

The flash hider is made of quite thin sheet metal, a metal object thrown from a crashing aircraft could quite easily jam in it.

#26

I did some looking around and I found a photo of a Japanese Type 3 , 13.2mm HMG, as fitted to a Zero.
Its identical to the gun in the photo.
Its not a fake :wink:

#27

1st is defenately real ive seen this footage on history books and on ww2 history shows

#28

umm…has it occurred to anyone that it could both be real…and a fake?? I mean it doesn’t look photoshopped IMO, but isn’t it quite possible that some sailors looking for some amusement at the photogs expense (or just trying to make an exciting photo) stuck that gun in there?
I mean judging from the damage to the barrel of the bofors it sure doesn’t look like that mg went through it, possibly a round from an mg, but from the other direction, notice the “tearing” at the end and how it splays outward, in the opposite direction of the mg, and assuming the tip of the mg is going out the other side it does seem reasonable to say that on the other side of the bofors barrel there is an entry point from a medium caliber round. To me it looks like the mg was just stuck into the exit point…
and also judging from the looks on the sailors faces, they don’t seem too amazed by the whole thing, like the joke is over (although after suffering a kamikaze attack that could be understandable anyways)
just my humble opinion

#29

This Kamikaze photo is tough!

#30


Looks like its real but I’m not sure about that

#31

hmm have you no bigger resolution? its kinda diff to say if its real and if its fake but seems fake to me

#32

Looks like a scene from the movie Sobibor, but am not surprise if it actually happens.

#33

the first is real
the second is fake

#34

BearMgk:sorry I found in a site thats the max resolution.

#35

Enlarging the low res photo destroys it but I can see a P series hardshell on the guy’s belt but a revolver in his hand??? It could be a captured piece but then I’d expect to see a different frame design. Lots of hollywood promo stills floating around out there being passed as “genuine”. Saw the Nazi funeral scene from Where Eagles Dare listed on ebay just a week or so back and it was listed as a WWII Nazi photo.

#36

the guy with the gun has no shadow… there should be some.

#37

no problem mate

#38

as far i know from movies when you hit with a bullet in the head the person should bleed right away and i dont see clearly that he is bleeding so its fake i think…

#39

As far as i know usially they shoted to the top of neck , not in head.
But somthing promts to me - this is yet scene from a movie.
The face of SS officer is too staged.
Besides inside the camps Nazis usially hanged the peoples, and stayed the bodied to hung for several days , in “educational” aims.
They executed the prisoners to the hear near the ravines or pits.

#40

His pistol looks more like a Lechtpistole (flare pistol) or a Kampfpistole (Heavy pistol that can even launch AT rounds) or a revolver. I think he should have a Luger or a Walther.
And his feet does not quite match with the ground… And why is a prisoner running in the background?:smiley: