Katyn

I see that some of you are afraid to speak anything that is anti-Russian. Yet you freely attack other historical entities. Is this an example of political correctness applied here too?

As sad as your observation seems it is true. While the nation seems to know the real history and face the true facts, simple facts seem to baffle many here.

Just today this “breach of law” was disclosed.

Moscow: “Katyn massacre” files to remain secret

A Moscow court has rejected a Russian NGO’s appeal to disclose the 1940 “Katyn massacre” records.

The Municipal Court in Moscow rejected, Thursday, an appeal by the Russian historical and civil rights NGO, the Memorial Society, to disclose reasons behind disclose a decision to discontinue the investigation into the killing of thousands of Polish officers by the NKVD in 1940.

The Memorial NGO called the prosecution’s refusal to explain their verdict as “a breach of law”.

Today’s verdict upheld a decision previously made by a court of first instance, explaining that the Memorial Society had “no right to file for disclosure of the Russian Supreme Military Prosecution’s decisions”.

“The judges were afraid of passing a different verdict”, the NGO’s legal representative Diana Sork told reporters outside the court this morning.

The Memorial Society has informed it will refer the case to the European Court of Justice in Strasbourg.

In 1940, up to 22,000 Poles were killed by the Soviet secret police, NKVD, on the orders of Joseph Stalin. The Soviets initially claimed that that Nazi soldiers were responsible for the murders. But after an investigation in the 1990s Moscow admitted that it was in fact the NKVD who were responcible but have since refused, both to label the massacre as ‘genocide’, or carry out prosecutions against those still alive who took part. (mj)

http://www.polskieradio.pl/thenews/foreign-affairs/?id=92737

After the death of the Polish President and other dignitaries this Saturday people around the world heard the name Katyn. And the Russians are even showing the Polish film on the Russian tv [RTR] and a documentary on the subject [ORT] . Prime Minister Putin has called the Katyn massacre an “Act of Stalin’s vengeance” for the defeat of 1920 in the Polish–Soviet War.

He actualy said that the polish POWs was victims of Totalitarian regime.
Some of russian nationalist shares the point about “Stalin’s vengeance” for 18 000 of soviet pows , threated to death in Polish camps in winter 1920-21. But neither Putin nor any other russian officials proclaims something simular…
But i have to agree the russian behavior looks really strange.
From the one hand - the RF head recognizes the Mass Execution of poles by NKVD, from the another hand - the Russian courts rejects all the attempts to study the archives, claiming i’s contain the state’s secret datas.
But from that point - both Gorbachev and Yeltsyn should be judged for divulgence of top-state secrets. We don’t see that. Moreover the polish side claims they ALREADY has a documents that enough to make the true conclusion investigation.Why the court don’t comment the documents , that has been declassified so far?
Doest it mean the court don’t consider it to be original?
All this pretty strange…

De-archived…

Less strange than you being sent to a gulag when Putin and his crew find out what you’ve said here. :wink: :frowning:

Make sure you go to a modern gulag, with internet access, so that Nick and I can cheer you up with our sympathetic comments about how terrible it must be to be so cold there in your pyjamas and clogs while you’re clawing coal out of the tundra with your fingernails. :wink: :smiley:

Seriously, so far as the earlier post about the court decision is concerned, it might be no different to court decisions in the supposedly democratic West where laws are often structured by the government in such a way that a court cannot do what justice or common sense require when the government’s misconduct may be exposed.

The legal system in court actions is concerned essentially with resolution of disputes between parties to the dispute. If you’re not directly involved in the dispute you usually don’t have legal standing to go to court about it.

The brief post about the Moscow court decision suggests to me that the court’s decision might be similar to a Western court’s view that the plaintiff lacks standing to sue. That is, the plaintiff lacks sufficient legal involvement and legally affected rights as distinct from mere personal interest in the case. It’s the difference between being, say, one of the people directly involved as a driver, passenger or car owner in a car accident and a bystander who wasn’t involved but who wants to make an issue of something about the conduct of those directly involved but who can’t get the issue into court because his or her legal rights haven’t been affected by anything the driver, passenger or car owner did.

Less strange than you being sent to a gulag when Putin and his crew find out what you’ve said here.

Don’t worry Rising Sun Russia is changing their point of view on the Katyn massacre just now.
Look what the Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said for “Russia Today” just now on the 14th of April:

Regarding the occasion, it was a difficult one too, even though recently, we’ve come a long way. An assessment was made of the Katyn tragedy, and it was objective. It had obviously happened with the will of leaders of that time, including Stalin. Characters of this kind will always provoke different responses in people. It’s not a question of the mentality of one country or another, whether it’s totally liberated or whether it had been formed by a totalitarian period.

Or You can read the whole interview and find out what the Russian leader now thinks of Stalin. What a long way it has been to state the denial of the massacre in 1943.

That means Chevan is staying with us a little longer :lol:
As for the Russian courts, who knows what their rulings will be after a few more years?

And yes the interview://rt.com/Top_News/2010-04-14/medvedev-interview-head-rt.html jut type hhtp: in front of the page adress.