Multiculturalism - Yes or No

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#41

So far, that’s the case here.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/bendigo-mosque-appeal-thrown-out-of-court-20151215-gloj2z.html

Leaving aside the supposed ‘lone wolf’ actors, the formalised / semi-formalised sources of jihadism here have sprung very much from obscure fundamentalist Islamic bookshops and minor groups outside the mainstream mosques, not that some of those mosques and their imams have been without question marks over their heads.

Conversely, the mainstream Muslim community has by all accounts been the major source of information to our intelligence and police services about jihadists

It is very much in the interests of both the mainstream Muslim community and the wider community to maintain links and trust with the mainstream Muslim community to minimise the risk of jihadist murders and random violence (I’m not disposed to dignify their pointless hostile actions with ‘terrorism’) which is not assisted by the sweeping assertions of witless / witman which are merely unthinking responses of the sort which have promoted countless genocides and religious exterminations of the type currently pursued by ISIS. And not so long ago by Pol Pot, and in Rwanda, and the former Yugoslavia, and Nazi Germany, among others large and small.

#42

The Swiss did ban the new construction of Minarets, but not Mosques, the Swedes burned down the buildings set aside for refugees. Seems to be a trend emerging.

#43

Yes - a trend; and it could get worse. As will be apparent from my earlier posts, I am reasonably comfortable with living in Dublin’s “Little Lahore”. Although I have no doubt whatsoever that some unfunny business is going on in my area, most of my many Moslem neighbors are quiet, hard-working inoffensive people - I worry more about the activities of our native gurriers. That having been said, the recent “migration crisis”, and its mismanagement by the European Community, has produced yet another mess that threatens the cohesion (indeed the integrity) of the “New Europe”. Even if the Union had not, foolishly, admitted a number of dodgy post-Communist states with strong ultra-Right political tendencies (Hungarian politics, for example, rival those of Northern Ireland in terms of parties trying to outflank each other by being More-“N*zi than Thou”), Merkel’s Statue of Liberty pushed buttons of a distinctly unsavory sort in closer places. Notable among these are Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, France and the UK. And then, of course, there is … Germany. I sincerely hope that mosque-burning does not become a habit in this corner of the world, but things are not looking good; note the remarkable success (at least in vote-gaining terms) of the French Front Nationale, which was prevented from obtaining control of at least three regions by a gerrymandering operation on the part of the two major French political parties. With the overall refugee/migrant situation in a state of chaos (Greece, Italy, the Balkan republics and even Turkey) turned into virtual concentration camps), and no sign of any bright ideas on the part of Brussels or Frau M to sort this out, next year is looking pretty bleak for that “beacon of tolerance and democracee”, the EU. Yours from the Brown Lentil Shop, JR.

#44

There remains, alas, the issue of “Islam”.

I don’t see the Quakers or Mormons or anyone in their names taking violent control of anything.

Unlike the long history of Christians doing it.

Or the somewhat disappointing and surprising violence of Buddhists against Muslims in Myanmar.

Or American born nutcases attacking their own people, as in the Oklahoma City Bombing.

And so on, and so on.

Muslims don’t have a monopoly on violence for little more than its own sake, but they’re far and away the largest group pursuing it on an organised global scale in pursuit of a common objective of world domination, albeit if one goes back in history perhaps not too different to the anarchist bombers etc beloved of late 19th / early 20 th century cartoonists with rather less well defined objectives and sundry others such as Nazis and communists (using preferred definition and origin of communists).

Where does that leave us?

No idea, apart from wiping out every one of the bastards who threatens us.

Yes, I know that doing so can bring others to the cause.

What’s the alternative?

Because they don’t make demands; can’t be negotiated with; and haven’t demonstrated any coherent, or even any, military or political aims beyond wiping out everyone who disagrees with them and controlling whatever land they occupy as the new caliphate.

As ye sow…

#45

Buddhism is an interesting case. I know a bit about Buddhism - my personal faith is a sort of amalgam of Buddhism and Stoicism - and it seems clear to me that the Lord Buddha himself was a man of peace, disapproving of conflict, suicide, mind-altering substances and much else of humanity’s negative practice. However, like Christianity, Buddhism has developed in many directions, and has (like Christianity) had a great facility for adapting itself to pre-existing local religions and philosophies. Thus, it has adapted in different places to local religions and superstitions, nationalism, and other vagaries. It is also highly prone to sectarianism and religious intolerance. The Lord Buddha insisted that he was a teacher. There has never been any central authority for Buddhists in any way resembling a Buddhist Pope.

A result of this, which many non-Buddhists often find perplexing, is the propensity of Buddhists in many circumstances for perpetrating or supporting violence. Examples in the modern world abound. Examples ? South-East Asian Buddhism has allied itself, in Sri Lanka, with extreme and violent nationalism directed against the (Hindu) Tamil minority. One result of the relaxation of the iron control of society by the army in Burma has been an extremist campaign against the country’s Muslim minority, setting many on the sea seeking refuge in Indonesia and the Malay states. Further north, differences between Tibetan Buddhists (of which there at least four major sects) has resulted in intra-communal tension for centuries. A dispute between the Dalai Lama’s faction and another accepting the notion of “intercession” with Heaven through a sort of “Saint” has resulted in violence, and even at least one assassination.

I remember a while back sitting in an Indian restaurant, waiting for a takeaway meal. They had a book composed of the results of a journey through India of an American photographer. He arrived in a north Indian Tibetan Buddhist monastery, where he was surprised to find that the place was occupied by a force of Indian paramilitary police, almost equaling the number of Buddhist monks on the premises. When the American asked the police commander why they the police were there, he laughed, and replied that they “were there to stop the peaceful Buddhists from killing each other”. He was clearly as perplexed by Buddhist violence as anybody else … Yours from the Stupa, JR.

#46

I seem to recall photos of ?Thai ?Vietnamese Buddhist soldiers around the time of the Vietnam War going into battle with Buddhist amulets in their mouths in the belief that this improved their path into the next world.

As for Stoicism, would that that became the world’s next craze instead of, say, Star Wars,

#47

Stoicism as the next craze ? We could do worse, believe me. Best regards, JR.

#48

Putin will go down in Russia’s history as next best thing to Peter the Great. And has done a world a tone of good ie. put an end to US&wall stree&banksters strategic resources grabbing monopoly - and killing millions in the process, without a single charge on war crimes.

Switzerland has some of most sophisticated industry in the world like…watches and it’s not backward like you seem to imply. I will certainly not analyse structure of it’s GDP to prove you wrong. You also seem to forget English cleared out Aborigines in Australia wherever they deemed necessary…genocide cough, cough

Quite amusing I might add.

  1. So no1 found irony in my statements on being “shaken up” by suicide bombers ? :o
  2. Do ban me, by all means, I am shaking.
  3. My arshole did not attempt to rape 1000 women in city Cologne. Quite a feat if I might add and in the midst of refugee crisis. Obviously SS wasn’t around for some time…
  4. Number of Muslims doubled in 10 years in Britain to 3 million. That means there will be 6 million in 10 years, 12 million in twenty and 25 million in thirty years. Do you really think they will assimilate or are you just ignorant ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_United_Kingdom
    When that happens Mr. Churchill will run away to Mr. Putin Jr. because Mr. Hitler Jr. is not around…
  5. Muslim invasion of Christian Europe is not question of refugees, it’s a question of…invasion.

Oh really, how bout this sugar pops ?

#49

Replying to RS …

Multiculturalism Was put in place so Jews can feel saver. If multiculturalism was so great, Australia would had never had the white policy from the beginning. There is reasons why the middle east and Asia are not multicultural societies.

In Europe, one Muslim leader dared to say “breed with the Europeans so we can take control of Europe”.

#50

#51

Witman111, Staff is not included in my statement. Further, you are now treading on very thin ice, and given your history on this Site you had best mind your manners. Should we find it necessary to take action in response to your continued Trolling, innuendo, half truths, and whimsical postulations, it will be for the last time. This is an official notice, the last one you get. Behave, or it’s…

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#52

Peter the Great didn’t leave the economy in the toilet and enrich himself to the extent Putin has…

Oh really, how bout this sugar pops ?

How about what? Fruit Loops…

#53

You seem rather “special” aly…

#54

Pls do explain how these points:
3. My arshole did not attempt to rape 1000 women in city Cologne. Quite a feat if I might add and in the midst of refugee crisis. Obviously SS wasn’t around for some time…
4. Number of Muslims doubled in 10 years in Britain to 3 million. That means there will be 6 million in 10 years, 12 million in twenty and 25 million in thirty years. Do you really think they will assimilate or are you just ignorant ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_...United_Kingdom
When that happens Mr. Churchill will run away to Mr. Putin Jr. because Mr. Hitler Jr. is not around…
5. Muslim invasion of Christian Europe is not question of refugees, it’s a question of…invasion.

are …whimsical postulations ? I don’t understand what is it exactly you have problem with…

#55

What a stupid comment. It is Mr. Yeltsin who left not only Russian economy but Russia as a whole in shambles. Putin has for example rightfully taken back what thief’s Abramovich Berezovsky and Khodorkovsky (surprisingly both Jews - facts not whimsey postulations) have stolen from Russia’s state and returned it to Russian people ie. Russian state budget. And for your information, under Putin, Russians have sense of national pride you Americans probably saw last time around Ronald Regan and it is highly questionable when you will see it again.

And don’t worry for them, Russia will be around long after EU and particularly US crash and burn with it’s ethnic rifts, minorities, refugees, multiculturalism Trojan horse and phoney democracy. Phoney because only elected ones have chance of winning the elections so it’s a rigged game from the start, sugar pops. To repeat US Middle east policy result - 10 million dead (including children because starvation), any charge on war crimes ? Sure Croats and Serbs went to Haque tribunal for few thousand dead, but what shall we do with this millions Nick ? Maybe has to do something with US&UK mafia controlling the security council ? Or so called, Amnesty International failed to see it from it’s offices in NY ?

Rest assured, Russia strategic material abundance, coherent nation and sensible leadership guarantees it will last far longer than phoney and rapidly disintegrating democracy of US which even millions of it’s have nots will not be able to save.

#56

A big NO to the topic question,I think already recomended this author but everyone should read Oriana Fallaci, the late italian writer predicted with evident intelligency all the evils affecting Europe today, she wrote that some 12-13 years ago.

I agree with Wittman111 in fully, the situation is already too dramatic to be cinycal about it, and honestly I like too much bikinis, hams and wine so I am very worry about that.

#57

Thank you

#58

It is ever more evident that you lack understanding of many things Witman111, and just to clarify things for you, your silly, wispy points are of no interest, worth, or meaning in this matter. Attempting to distract from the matter of your behavior is making more cracks in that very thin ice beneath your feet, if you are not careful, you’ll fall through. Perhaps even today. Tick, tick, tick…

#59

I haven’t read Fallaci’s books, for the same reason that I don’t bother with Germaine Greer or Donald Trump or lots of other people who build extreme and sometimes idiotic “arguments” on selective facts.

Anyway, Fallaci was wrong because she predicted Muslim migration to Europe on the basis of some sort of pan-Muslim desire to dominate and conquer Europe from within. The Muslims can’t even unite in most of their own countries, never mind doing it on a coherent basis worldwide. Same for the Arabs. Just look at the history of the Middle East since WWII where there has been a steady tradition of disharmony within and between most Muslim / Arab states, e.g. Egypt starting out under Nasser as the leader of the Arab / Muslim world determined to destroy Israel and achieve justice for the Palestinians with Soviet support, then shifting to a separate peace with Israel to the dismay of the other Arab states in return for shifting its allegiance from the Soviets to the US.

France’s problem with Muslims is largely a problem caused by its colonial history in North Africa which goes back to before WWII. The current problem is largely a consequence of the instability in some Arab countries caused by Western, including European, intervention there, ably assisted by Frau Merkel’s determination to be the opposite of the Nazis.

It’s debatable whether Europe has ever tried or is capable of multiculturalism, as summed up in the following comment by an Australian Muslim academic / intellectual/ television presenter of Egyptian descent referring to the different experience of multiculturalism in Australia.

“The biggest mistake we make in terms of multiculturalism is we copy wholesale the arguments from Europe. We are a completely different country to any country in Europe, including the UK. The parade of European commentators and politicians who want to pronounce the death of multiculturalism blinds us to the fact that Europe’s never tried it. And in some ways they are not set up to try it … partly because … it has a series of national identities that are ethnically and racially defined … and lots of countries in Europe are former colonial powers.”
http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/waleed-aly-on-multiculturalism-identity-and-leaders-flirting-with-the-dark-side-20160128-gme8ew.html

#60

Yes, and outstandingly the notion that (a) a man’s arsehole is capable of independent action and (b) witman could use his arsehole to rape a woman.

Originally Posted by witman111
My arshole did not attempt to rape 1000 women in city Cologne.

This confusion should be cleared up around the end of primary school or early high school when he finds out about human anatomy.