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<H1>[SIZE=3]Prince William’s Falklands posting revives tension in Argentina over ownership of the islands

Prince William’s expected military deployment to the Falklands has reignited the controversy in Argentina over the sovereignty of the islands.

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Argentina’s foreign minister Jorge Taina has expressed concern that the presence of the future King on the islands could inflame public opinion.
The Prince, as part of his training as a search and rescue pilot with the Royal Air Force, is likely to spend three months at the helicopter base in the Falklands.
The Duke of York, the Prince’s uncle, flew helicopters in the Royal Navy during the Falklands War in 1982 during which 649 Argentines and 255 Britons died. The Argentine government surrendered on June 14 but has always maintained its territorial claim to the islands it calls the Malvinas.
Mr Taina, asked about the significance of the Prince serving at the British military garrison on Mount Plea said: “This circumstance only serves to once again highlight Britain’s ongoing military presence in land and sea areas that are part of the Argentine Republic’s national territories.”
Argentina continues to claim ownership of the islands.
The Falkland Islands posting is one of the least popular within the armed forces because of its distance from the UK and the weather in the South Atlantic, which for all but a few months of the year, is poor. The Prince would be based at the British Military base at Mount Pleasant one hour’s drive from Stanley the capital.
The garrison is manned by a force of 500 troops made up of largely members of the RAF, who support the Tornado and Sea King flights, and around 100 infantry soldiers. The troops are stationed on the islands “to deter military aggression against the South Atlantic overseas territories”, according to the Ministry of Defence.
Any decision on the deployment of the Prince will not be taken for more than two years. He will either go to the Falklands or Cyprus which also has a helicopter base.
A spokesman for St James’s Palace said the military conflict in 1982 was unlikely to have any bearing on whether the Prince would be sent to the South Atlantic garrison. He said: “We would take advice from the Foreign Office.”
The Prince’s job with the Search and Rescue Force will involve the future king flying Sea King helicopters to lower a winchman to rescue those stranded at sea, trapped in floods, and on the edge of cliff tops.
:: The Duke of Edinburgh missed his third Royal engagement in eight days yesterday.
Buckingham Palace said that the Duke, 87, was under doctor’s orders to “take it easy” after pulling a muscle in his back while carriage driving at Sandringham several days ago.
He has cancelled engagements because he was finding it difficult to stand for long periods.
The Duke had been due to join the Queen yesterday (tunes) to officially open the a new health centre at Dersingham, Norfolk
But the Queen arrived alone at the £2.2m NHS facility, while the Duke remained

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/4446744/Prince-Williams-Falklands-posting-revives-tension-in-Argentina-over-ownership-of-the-islands.html
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Why should a servicemen planning to do his duty as a SAR pilot be any cause to inflame public opinion, other than the Argentine Government’s insistence of finding any excuse to kick up a fuss over the Falklands?

This reminds me of the whole Mohammed cartoon fiasco. The cartoons were originally published during Ramadan by a Cairo newspaper and nobody noticed. It was only after a bunch of less than respectable Danish Imams did a tour of the Arab world on various chat shows that any form of outrage was whipped up. So it is here - without Mr Taina’s comments, nobody in Argentina or the UK would have noticed.

The main troublemaker, Ahmed Akkari, in that fiasco showed not only the published cartoons, but had some drawn showing the Prophet caricatured as a pig which he distributed on a tour of the ME.
His explanation was that someone might draw this type of cartoon, but of course he wasn’t trying to stir anything up… :rolleyes:


Achmed Akkari. Hero of the Faithful and legend in his own lunchtime.

While this brave Jihadi has made death threats against a Danish Muslim politico, so far his faith hasn’t been strong enough to drive him to spread himself over a complete grid square, or even put himself in harm’s way.
However he did show tremendous courage and outstanding valour when he was in his early twenties by beating up an eleven year old boy who, while playing with Akkari’s little sister (also eleven,) had accidentally pulled her headscarf off.
The kid was lucky, had Akkari had his way nothing less than painful death would have sufficed.

Most of this is gleaned from a Danish troep I know who was serving on Herrick at the time, (and since,) and is understandably a little peeved with the above gentleman.

And with that perhaps I should return to the topic ! :smiley:
(Or move these posts to a new thread in another forum.)

So it is here - without Mr Taina’s comments, nobody in Argentina or the UK would have noticed.

The news was in the british newspapers before…where you think Taiana got the info ?

So again why would any Search and Rescue Pilot be any cause for inflaming public opinion? Any excuse to go off on one.

Looking trough my window I can see no people “inflamed”, but I think is a good way to put some pressure on the brits.

Unlike the rest of the components of this goverment Taina is smart and somewhat sneaky, he remember me me sometimes.

Pressure on the Brits?

To be utterly honest, the general response among people around me is what are they whining about.

‘We will not be bullied by you, Old Plastic Face’, says a sixth generation Falkland Islander

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1252595/We-bullied-Old-Plastic-Face-says-sixth-generation-Falkland-Islander.html

Plastic face ? that was a bit harsh :lol:

UK firm’s Falklands oil find sparks mix of hopes and fears

The Falkland Islands. Oil has been discovered off the southern coast. Photograph: MoD/EPA

A British company has struck oil in the Falkland Islands for the first time, threatening to ratchet up the diplomatic dispute with Argentina.
Islanders hope that the discovery will result in an oil bonanza, but environmentalists expressed concern for the region’s marine life in the wake of the Gulf of Mexico disaster in similar deepwater conditions.
Shares in Rockhopper, named after a native penguin, soared by 150% yesterday after it announced the find. Many among the islands’ population bought shares in the company, which was set up to drill for oil in the Falklands.
The find, on the day of the general election, comes almost 30 years after the victory in the Falklands conflict against Argentina that arguably helped Margaret Thatcher to get re-elected a year later.
Four companies have hired a drilling rig that is expected to drill eight wells in total this year around the islands, which have never produced oil. The first well, drilled in March, came up dry. Shell and Amerada Hess were among the companies that last explored the area in the late 1990s but pulled out because the results were disappointing and the low oil price did not make developing the fields worthwhile.
The Falklands government said that yesterday’s news was “very exciting”. Other companies involved in planned drilling also saw their share prices leap.
Rockhopper stressed that it was very early stages and it was too soon to assess how much oil existed in the reservoir which it had found, which lies about 137 miles off the north coast of the islands at a depth of 2,744 metres (9,000ft). Next week, tugs will tow the drilling rig to the islands’ southern coast to search for more oil.
Gavin Farquhar, energy and infrastructure partner at law firm McGrigors, who has advised the oil industry about the Falklands, said that the chances of more finds were high.
“It would be surprising to locate oil in one well and not to find more oil in other prospects in the area.”
Geologists estimate that up to 60bn barrels of oil and gas equivalent could lie in the Atlantic waters, which would put the region on a par with the North Sea. But reaching the oil – and transporting it thousands of miles by tanker to market – is much more challenging. The waters around the Falklands reach depths of more than 3,000m, much deeper than the Gulf of Mexico waters where the BP rig Deepwater Horizon sank.
Local environmentalists warned that development of the hydrocarbon resources could disrupt marine life. The Falklands are home to 80% of the world’s black-browed albatrosses, 30% of its south rockhopper penguins and 20% of its gentoo penguins.
Craig Dockrill is chief executive of Falkands Conservation, which lists 100 families on the islands as members as well as 600 families of former military personnel or of those who used to live there. He said that their big concern was that migratory and feeding patterns of thousands of species of birds and marine animals were still not fully known.
He said that companies should be required to carry out thorough environmental assessments of the area in which they wanted to operate, ideally before they started drilling.
“The recent events in the Gulf of Mexico have highlighted awareness and concerns of our members and people,” he said. “If oil and gas development are going to go ahead it needs to be done in an environmentally sensitive way.”
Greenpeace said that companies should not be allowed to operate in such deep-water areas at all. Campaigner Paul Horsman contrasted the UK’s more liberal approach to drilling in the Falklands with that of President Barack Obama and California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, who have pulled plans to open up new areas for offshore drilling in the wake of the Deepwater Horizon disaster.
A spokeswoman for the Falklands government did not return calls, but industry sources said that safety standards would be similar to those in the North Sea. What is certain is that if more oil is found, Big Oil – companies like BP and Shell with the pockets and expertise to develop it – will plant their flags on the Falklands.

Argentinian reaction

Argentines reacted with groans of dismay today to reports of the first oil discovery by British firms drilling in Falkland Islands waters. The announcement was expected to reignite protests from President Cristina Kirchner’s government.
“You will probably see some rhetorical flares and maybe another spike in diplomatic tension,” said Daniel Kerner, an analyst with the Eurasia Group consulting firm.
A report about the announcement in La Nacion, Argentina’s leading newspaper, prompted anguished reader comments. “They continue robbing us from under our noses,” said one. “After a war, the winner imposes the conditions,” said another.
Argentina lost a brief 1982 war with Britain over islands it calls the Malvinas. It still claims sovereignty and terms British control an occupation.
The prospect of “black gold” enriching the windswept archipelago has rubbed salt in the wound. Geologists say there could be up to 60bn barrels, a bonanza which would transform the 2,900 islanders into oil barons. But there is a question mark over how much will prove commercially viable, said Kerner. “I wouldn’t draw too many conclusions over Rockhopper’s announcement. There are still doubts.”
The Gulf of Mexico oil spill has aggravated concerns about the risk oil extraction would pose to the south Atlantic. Environmentalists have warned of oil slicks coating penguins and polluting the shores of the Mar del Plata beach resort.
Relations between London and Buenos Aires soured in February over the arrival of a rig, the Ocean Guardian, which started offshore drilling for oil and gas deposits.
Argentina declared controls on shipping and blocked a cargo vessel, the Thor Leader, from leaving a port over suspicion its cargo of Argentine-made seamless tubes would be used for drilling.
It won the backing of Latin American leaders over its demand for sovereignty talks with Britain and lobbied Ban Ki-moon, the UN secretary general.
British and Falkland officials played down the protests as posturing. Relations are at their lowest ebb since 1982 but both sides have ruled out military confrontation.
A possible Conservative government is unlikely to change relations. Argentines have bitter memories of Margaret Thatcher’s administration, but hold little love for Labour since Tony Blair and Gordon Brownit facilitated drilling.

Rory Carroll Latin America correspondent

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/may/06/falklands-oil-discovery-rockhopper

Didn’t Kirchner and co tear up a deal to share any oil or gas revenues a couple of years ago? I’m pretty sure Britain offered Argentina a hare of ant hydrocarbons found in the Falklands area.

EDIT: looked it up they did back in 2007 see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_islands#Oil

They did, the argument was that sharing the oil supposedly was in line with giving up some of the claim, territorial claims that is.

I see, thanks for that bit of background, makes things in this muddy issue a bit clearer. Personally I guess they must have thought taking a tough stance was a better short term vote winner than a unknown and uncertain possibilty of oil revenue.

The entire Malvinas thing is a muddy issue in Argentina because 2 things.

  • There are no real military power to deter any possible british military operation, comercial oil drilling or whathever the like in the zone. That is not related with economics but politics, the country today is actually 3 or 4 times wealthier than 10 years before ( and far more than in 1982), but simply there is no will to reeplace/introduce new military equipment.

-Even if a elected president has the will to negotiate he /she would have to face a strong opossition by some small groups, we can call them “lobbying” groups of ultra-nationalist movements, ex-combatants of 1982 and the some other of the kind. Those group have no real political influence per-se, nor a very organizated financiation but they can surely affect the public view towards any argentine politician.

In some form, the late is as Obama trying to get free hospitals for low income people, we know and he knows that is the right thing to do, but the lobbing groups simply wont let him.

Lobby groups are a sad fact of political life wherever there is democracy it seems, Panzerknacker would you mind telling the people here a bit about the support the Argentine veterans get, I know they have been campaigning for better treatment, have things improved?

The pension ( not sure if pension is the correct word) wich the veterans collect monthly has been increased in about 80-90 %, so in that way they gained some respect.

However the relation of the veterans associations and the actual goverment is not candy and peaches because the rules had failed to increase the efectivenes of the Argentine armed forces ( actually some of the measures taken from 2003 on had diminished it ) That fact caused anger between the majority of the former 1982 soldiers.
The Veterans associations agenda is an ultra-nationalistic one, obviously you cant have and ultra nationalistic agenda agreeing with a weak military, I second that, however they have also suggested some unrealistic enonomical and political measures tending to more or less “close” the country from foreign enterprises, entrepeneurs and any other external influence. Cant agree with that because trade and exchange is vital for our country.

If you browse old pages of this section you will see that I had heated debates with every possible people here. In spite of that I think I always tried to stay realistic, That is why I can add this:

The people “of the street” or better say the average argentine had a lot of respect for the veterans, but they arent worshiping them, however there is a group, wich is not such small, that has elevated the Falklnds/malvinas things to epical scale, they have the Malvinas map stamped, painted, tattoed or wathever the like in any possible location. And that is to put the war (and incidentally the veterans) in a place they dont deserve.

Thanks for that Panzerknacker you’ve been a great help.

No problemo.

Massively off topic but happy bicentennial to all the Argentine members of this forum.

Thank you.