I think,that germans didn’t build a lot of Panther II.They built some prototipe.
I can not understand a word mate on that link. 
Henk
The Panther II hull with Panther ausf G turret is in the Patton Armor Museum, Fort Knox , USA.
Panther II = Panther Ausf. F ???http://panzerkeil.dre.hu/harcjarm/panzer/panther/panther.htm
Ostwind01 Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 11:12 am Post subject: Panther II
I think,that germans didn’t build a lot of Panther II.They built some prototipe
Yes they build a couple of hulls but never a Panther II turret. The Panther Ausf F and the Panther II are NOT the same vehicle. Those can be confused also with the future replacement of the Panther the E-50, I will wrote about these later.
I can not understand a word mate on that link.
Probably because you not speaking hungarian :twisted:
Dam, I wish I could speak and understand it.
Henki
Hey man i’m with you… I can only speak english… so if anything is posted in anything but engish… I wont be able to read it… :x
Yep, I wish I could speak more than two lang. :lol:
Henk
Well…I know 3, italian by family, spanish by country and english by…learning 
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By the way the proyected replacemente for the Panther the E-50 I had already posted in here.
http://www.ww2incolor.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1652&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
The Entwicklung had a 75mm L/70 without muzzle brake, the Panther II should be equipped with a 88mm gun instead.
I only know 2. Afrikaans my spoken language and English from school.
Henk
A pretty weird Panther.
This vehicle used large acetilene gas tanks instead the normal petrol fuel. The tank was used for a replacement and intruction Panzer driver unit, the reason for his different tipe of feeding was obvious, to save the always scarce B4.
That is quite dangerous, but not stupid if you are low on feul. The Allies would have had a lot of kills if that made it.
Henk
It was very very dangerous! -BigBumm-
Dangerous, yes, but you have to remenber that is only for driver unit training not for Front line use.
Yes.
dangerous training :twisted:
Flakpanzer T-34(r)
Wasnt this also known as the Celion (spl?) or was that another very similar design?
No, that is simply a T-34 with the turret deleted and a 2cm Flakvierling 38 in the top.
Probably you get confused with the Wirbelwind.
Yup that was the one! I stand corrected!
Hey Ostwind, did you make the diorama? I used to make a lot of 1:35 AFVs, just dont have the patience ( or the eyesight) anymore. 8)
Nowadays I collect ready-made 1:144 -some of them are miniature works of art.
Yup that was the one! I stand corrected!
A quote from the excellente Geoge Parada website.
[i]One of the most interesting conversions based on T-34/76 (model 1943) chassis was 2cm Flakvierling auf Fahrgestell T-34(r), an anti-aircraft tank - Flakpanzer. Also known as Flakpanzer T-34(r), it was armed with 20mm Flakvierling 38, which was a four barreled 20mm anti-aircraft L/115 gun.
The armament was mounted in a turret made by field workshop (Werkstattkompanie 653) using armor plates from damaged half-tracks. Ammunition was stored in metal cases on a rack at the rear of the vehicle. It served with headquarters of schwere Heeres Panzerjaeger Abteilung 653, on the Eastern Front in early and mid 1944. Flakpanzer T-34(r) can be compared to post-war Chinese Type 63 anti-aircraft tank based on T-34, which remained in service until late 1980s. In mid 1944, this same unit also used other T-34/76 tanks converted to ammunition carriers designated as Munitionspanzer T-34(r). Also, this unit fielded captured recovery version of T-34 tank mounted with 20mm Flakdrilling, which was twin barreled 20mm anti-aircraft gun. Another interesting conversion was done by Kampfgruppe Kienast in Saxony in 1945 - 88mm Flak 36 gun mounted on a modified T-34/76 chassis[/i]
