Nope Panzerknacker, something is wrong somewhere.
Yes, it does look like a T-34.
Henk
Well , probably you had some trouble seeing images uploaded to imageshack, I will send you by Email.
…Anyone know why they did not incorportate the sloped armour on the Tiger from the beginning? Had they done that there would of been no need for a King Tiger
Because despite being manufactured in 1942, is a pre- operation Barbarossa design, early 1941.
Thanks Panzerknacker will look out for it. The Tiger that finely went into production looked way different than the prototypes they first build. They also look smaller.
Were the Tiger(P) destroyed or did it survive the war?
Henk
The Tiger (P) was destroyed in combat, I have no much info about it but I keep searching.
Check your Email I send you the pics already.
Thanks mate the pics is great.
I would never have send it into combat. That was stupid.
The fact that they realy wanted to put the turret so far in front of the body of the tnk is not ver smart, then you do not have a lot of space inside to be able to fight propperly.
Henk
The fact that they realy wanted to put the turret so far in front of the body of the tnk is not ver smart, then you do not have a lot of space inside to be able to fight propperly.
Well, that was made because the large petrol engines-generator-electric engines layout left few space in the mid section of the hull.
Unfortunately the aft turret and the long gun caused the tendency to dig the barrel muzzle every time that the Tiger Porsche go trough a ditch, that is why Tiger P is seen always with his turret pointing reardwards when it negociate bad terrain.
Oh yes, sorry for the spelling misstakes :oops: . The engine is a sun of a gun and it makes or breaks your tank and it is the part of your tank that can be shot at and when taken out can bee a pain in the bud.
I have seen a picture of a King Tiger that got stuck in mud and the dug into the ground.
The thing that I can not understand is why the Germans did not make greater engines for their tanks, no material or was it that there were nothing better?
Henk
You mean more powerful engines ? …Well, the german engines were good, they have 265hp and 300 hp for the 20-27 tons tanks (Panzer III and Panzer IV, Hummel etc)
The larger 700 hp Maybach V-12 was plenty of power for the panther (43-45 tons) and the Tiger I (56tons) , there was no enough for the Tiger II (68,5 tons) in my opinion because was too much overloaded.
Even so the Tiger II had a more favorable Weight-power ratio than the much more lighter Churchill for example.
Probably the big change that the germans tank would need was a stronger transmition speacilly in the larger than 40 tons tank.
Yes, I have also heard that the King Tiger needed greater transmition. Well, why did they not get more powerfull engines?
Henk
That is actualy a waste of time and money, Hitler should have focussed on the tactics and the winter in Russia instead of such stuff.
Yes, I can see why they did not get stronger engines. :lol:
Henk
The Ratte wanst a tank it was…simply crazy :shock:
Yep, that Ratte was the crazyest Idea I have ever heard of.
Henk
Maybe you have finally come round to realising just what I was getting at here?
Now I come onto some things such as Von Braun, yes he may have forged the way to the Moon, but was he important to WW2? I would argue that he was a minor player in WW2 and the V2 did nothing to advance Germany’s war effort. You may indeed be able to pick up the phone and talk to a Me-262 pilot, but did this aircraft significantly affect the outcome of WW2? Again, I think not, I believe it was too little too late. If you have no fuel to fly it, have to scrape together the pilots to fly it and are totally overwhelmed by Allied air supremacy above your own country, then it’s not an effective weapon.
http://www.ww2incolor.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1442&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45
My whole point is that all these wonder projects and fantasy vehicles detracted from the main aim of fighting a war that was actually happening at the time and that the resources put into these vehicles or aircraft were just wasted in a regime that needed real practical fighting machines at the time.
Yes, it was a waste, but you can not say that some of it were quite advanced and were done by pretty smart people, but still a waste when you are in a possition that Hitler were in.
Well lets not open old wounds. :lol:
Henk
Hitler was crazy.The P-1500 (was) slow,fat 
. Aircrafts could destroy it easily.
Then finally I agree with you.
Hitler was crazy.The P-1500 (was) slow,fat
Actually the P-1500 was not an Hitler idea, it was designed by a guy named (Dr) Grotte.
Albert Speer ( german weapons production ministry) cancelled wisely any further development in that.
Panzerkampfwagen V Panther II
In late 1942, German designers started the development of more powerful and slightly larger version of Panther mounted on a newly designed chassis. In January of 1943, Adolf Hitler agreed on the development of Panther with increased armor protection especially for the needs of the Eastern Front. This project was designated Panther (2) II and its design was planned along with the development of Tiger II. In February of 1943, it was decided that Panther II, in its design would resemble Tiger II and would have many common components such as: tracks, transmission, suspension and roadwheels. Both designs had common components in an attempt to standartize the production. Overall dimensions were very similar to those of Panther Ausf G. Hull’s design was very similar to that of the late model Panther Ausf G but with many modernizations such as the arrangement of observation equipment and new engine deck. Its armor protection was significantly increased if compared to any other Panther variant produced. Side armor protection was 60mm thick while frontal armor protection was 100mm thick.
Panther II hull, with Panther Ausf.G turret.
It was planned to arm Panther II with the lattest 75mm KwK 42 L/100 or even 88mm KwK 43 L/71 (without muzzle break) gun mounted in newly designed narrow turret - Schmalturm (designed by Rheinmetall in 1944 and to be produced by Daimler-Benz).
Turret’s armor protection was significantly increased if compared to any other Panther turret. Front was 120-125mm, gun mantlet was 150mm, while sides and rear were 60mm and top was 30mm thick. Schmalturm had special mountings for infrared device and telescopic range finder. All of those modifications increased Panther II’s weight to 47 tons. Panther II was to be powered by new Maybach HL234 engine with total power of 900hp operated by 8-speed hydraulic transmission. Instead Maybach HL 230 P 30 engine was mounted and Maybach HL234was later on due to be completed in August of 1945, for future Panther series. It was believed that Panther II’s performance would be similar to that of Panther Ausf G, while if ever produced Panther II would mostlikely suffer from the same problems as Tiger II.
Now I never knew that the Germans were building a second type of Panthers.
Panzerknacker can you please tell me in wich museum is that Panther II in?
It actualy is a better idea if they thought of making the parts of both the King Tiger and the Panther II the same and make production much simpler.
Henk