Polish Military

Nice kinokero good stuff,and one good polish site which can understand. :wink:

Your Dad must have had some great stories to tell then I suspect.

Hi,
Quite the opposite in fact :frowning: he was the only survivor of his entire family ( they were all murdered by the Nazis in Warsaw 1942) and such were his experiences that he mainly chose to not to tell of them during his life. There were no teams of ā€˜counsellorsā€™ to help sort out his head and the term PTSD hadnā€™t been invented!
After the war because the ā€˜Soviet ledā€™ puppet regime in Poland and the NWKD were arresting and deporting many hundreds of ex-Polish Forces from Italy who had returned ā€˜homeā€™ he decided that there was nothing left for him in Poland so made a new life in the UK, much of which he then spent in the Royal Armoured Corps (British Army) fighting communist insurgents in Malaya, Yemen, Aden and elsewhere in Middle East and Africa - sadly he did not live to see a free Poland again :frowning:

Some photos from my fatherā€™s ā€˜Skorpionā€™ album:

Ruins of the Monte Cassino Abbey after the battle.

My father is top row fourth from left with darker overalls.

My father is second from from left.

Parade of 4th Skorpions at Potenza Picena HQ, Italy

Hi - hopefully this info help will clear up some common misconceptions :slight_smile:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Krojanty

The battle of Krojanty September 1, 1939 and the myth of the Polish Cavalry charge against German armour

The battle of Krojanty.

The Battle of Krojanty was part of the Polish September Campaign of the Second World War. The battle took place near the village of Krojanty in Pomerania (7 kilometres from the town of Chojnice) on September 1, 1939. It was one of the first battles of the war. Elements of Polish 18th Uhlans Regiment successfully attacked a German infantry battalion and delayed the German attack thus completing their mission. After the attack the cavalry received machine gun fire from German Armoured personnel carriers stationed nearby and were forced to retreat.

During the action the Polish cavalry units met a large group of German infantry resting in a woods near the village of Krojanty. Colonel Mastalerz decided to take the enemy by surprise and immediately ordered a cavalry charge, a tactic the Polish cavalry did not use as their main weapon.

The charge was successful: the German infantry unit was dispersed, and the Poles occupied the woods. Moreover, the German advance was stopped for enough time to allow the withdrawal of Polish 1st Rifle battalion and National Defence battalion Czersk from the area of Chojnice. However, the sounds of the battle notified the crews of the APCs stationed nearby, and soon the Polish unit came under heavy machine gun fire.

According to Heinz Guderianā€™s memoirs, the Polish cavalry charge impressed the Germans and caused a widespread panic among the soldiers and the staff of German 20th Motorised Infantry Division, which delayed their offensive and forced them to consider a tactical retreat. This was however prevented by personal intervention of Gen. Guderian.

Aftermath and the myth

The Polish cavalry charge stopped the German pursuit and the units of Czersk Operational Group were able to withdraw southwards unopposed. Also, it took the enemy several hours to reorganise and continue the advance. On September 2, 1939, the 18th Pomeranian Uhlans Regiment was decorated by Gen. Grzmot-Skotnicki, the commander of the Operational Group, with his own Virtuti Militari medal for valour shown in this combat.

The same day the German war correspondents were brought to the battlefield together with two journalists from Italy. They were shown the battlefield, the corpses of Polish cavalrymen and their horses, as well as German tanks that arrived to the place after the battle. One of the Italian correspondents sent home an article, in which he described the bravery and heroism of Polish soldiers, who charged German tanks with sabres and lances. Although such a charge did not happen and there were no tanks used during the combat, the myth was used by German propaganda during the war. After the end of World War II it was still used by Soviet propaganda as an example of stupidity of Polish commanders, who allegedly did not prepare their country for the war and instead wasted the blood of their soldiers.

ā€œContrary to German propaganda, Polish cavalry brigades never charged tanks with their sabres or lances as they were equipped with anti-tank weapons such as 37mm Bofors wz.36 (exported to UK as Ordnance Q.F. 37mm Mk I) antitank guns, that could penetrate 26mm of armour at 600m at 30 degrees. The cavalry brigades were in the process of being reorganized into motorized brigadesā€. Another weapon was anti-tank rifle model 1935 (karabin przeciwpancerny wz. 35). Its calibre was 7.92 mm and it could penetrate 15mm of armour at 300m at 30 degrees.

kinokero
www.PolandWW2.com

Ok thanks . :wink:

Welcome everybody!

Itā€™s my first post on forum. There is photo of polish renault Ft-17 modernized in CWS (Centralne Warsztaty Samochodowe) in gallery http://www.ww2incolor.com/gallery/other/aac

Witam!

Great photo - what is the source? Is this taken by German photographer Hugo Jaeger ? I am looking for colour photo of Polish 7TP?

Great website for Polish Armour is;

www.derela.republika.pl

North Africa in 1943 was figting Polish Fighting Team. High effectiveness very quickly earned them a ā€œSkalskiā€™s Circusā€ nickname. Between 28th of March and 6th of May PFT shot down 25, probably 3 and damaged 9 enemy planes

Hello everyoneā€¦Going some research for an upcoming virtual movie.
Looking for some photos and websites, and if anyā€¦some good books on these brave airmen of the Skalskiā€™s Circus that fought in north Africa.

Here is some links about them.
http://ww2-aviation.net/polavhist/circus.html
http://ww2-aviation.net/polavhist/aces.html
http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/skalski/skalski.htm
http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/horba/horba.htm
http://avstop.com/History/AroundTheWorld/Poland/index2.html
http://stanislaw-skalski.memory-of.com/About.aspx

Any help is much appreciatedā€¦ :smiley:

Best Regards

Welcome michaejlt.
Thanks for your post. Also please change your avatar with one WW2 related.

Also please change your avatar with one WW2 related.

Sorry about the Daniā€¦ :oops:

Best Regards

http://polishairforce.biskupin.wroc.pl/skalski.html (in Polish)

and his obituary:
http://www.battleofbritain.net/bobhsoc/obit-skalski.html
R.I.P.

~Salute~ Dani

thanks for the linksā€¦ :smiley:

Best Regards

Youā€™re welcome!
Few more links:
http://www.geocities.com/skrzydla2/PFT/
http://www.airconnection.on.ca/airconnection_decals_thd48024.htm
http://www.ww2.pl/apps/?command=fotografie/szczegoly&id=18&did=138

ā€¦ and also a book:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1855327260/ref=olp_product_details/103-5939891-5640616?_encoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=283155

Thanks for some great Polish Airforce links here :lol: :lol:
Polandā€™s contribution to the ā€˜Alliedā€™ war effort is often overlooked and forgotten if not almost unknown these days :frowning:

Panowie! Errrā€¦ Gentlemen, I believe that the issue of Polish contributions in WWII being unknown or completely twisted (Poland had only Cavalry in 1939, the only uprising in Warsaw was in the Jewish, ghetto, etc, etc) may be slowly changing although I perceive certain forces in the USA actively trying to promote the old negative stereotypes. Recent proliferation of anti-polish lies in the TV and Hollywood movies about WWII is only a part of the problem. For instance, Iā€™m SURE you are familiar with the 2003 book ā€œA Question of Honor.ā€ Despite numerous praises of the book expressed mostly by people knowledgeable on the WWII subject, Washington Post published a critical editorial complaining that the book did not address the ā€œJewish Issueā€ ( Why? the book was about 303 Squadron pilots.). Moreover, others complained about the book being ā€œa propaganda pieceā€ albeit whose propaganda and what would be the ultimate goal of it was never expressed.
The fact that Polish Armed Forces were the second most numerous cohesive force fighting Germans (The Brits were the biggest) until US decided to join in and the Soviets switched sides is not mentioned in a single history book. The fact that it was Polish Second Corps that took Monte Cassino is mostly omitted from any historic account.
However, I almost choked on my dinner when I saw that the History Channel actually run (several times!!) a program in which historians concluded that it was Stalin who ordered the assasination of General Sikorski. Iā€™m sure many Americans were astounded, that Poland HAD an active general at that time. So, there is a light at the end of the tunnel, we just have ti yank it out (pun intended)!

LOL, nice post mate and welcome to the site. Please continue to enlighten me with your Polish knowledge.

Thank You, Mr. Moderator. Iā€™ve been looking for a website like this for, oh, maybe 15 years :smiley: Hmmm, the second part of your welcomeā€¦ this would not be an example of dry British humor with a touch of sarcasm and irony? 8)
On the other hand, my paranoia (17 years growing up under a communist regime) coupled with years of obsessive watching of Monty Python Flying Circus might have warped my sense of humor and good mannersā€¦ :roll: Count on multiple posts from me, anyway :shock:

No I am being genuine, I have a real interest in Polish forces in WW2.

Iā€™ll do my best. Say, being in Scotland and all, there were several books published in 1942 by Poles ( but in English) in Edinghbourg (now, I KNOW I misspelled that one- sorry). I know this is the wrong forum, but Iā€™, sure you can find ā€œG for Geneviveā€ and ā€œL for Lucyā€ by Herbert (the real name Janusz Meissner) and ā€œTo the Brightest of Starsā€ By B. Pomian. Now I know that at least one store in Scotland has the last one ( Around 10 pounds-google the title and author). These books will give you a certain feel for Polish forces in the West.