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#141

Who did say the Bulgaria is independent?
MOST of your existence YOU was DEPENDENT:)
Even now you are pretty dependent from EU , Washington, NATO and ets.
I didn’t speak the Bulgaria was in Any alliance with Russia.
Vice versa, all of you "independent " histosry you were in alliance with OUR enemies.

of what who is "traitor " and who’s not because you see things only from your eyes and stubbornly resist to see the things from the other people , you call us traitors for following our own national interest as Shuultz said , and that’s really funny it’s the same thing as to call you traitor because you invaded our country via help of partisans in september 1944 and after that the russian communists with the help of their bulgarian counterparts committed mass murders that you for known reasons refuse to see .

Well , if only your “national interest” lie in alliance with Germany and NS.
Don’t cry now . And its not funny if to keep in mind how many civil peoples died in that war.

And please don’t tell me what i can tell or what not , remember mr.Chevan we live in democracy thanks to the western allies and from the communism that you so much enjoyed and that we so much suffered there is nothing left . So get use to it that’s the reality . And if we have to be traitors in your eyes we will be because our national interest is N1 as well as the major powers follow theirs . As for my grand father he was really Beaten not "beaten " mr.Chevain and was forced to be without work simply because he was called "enemy of the state " something that even the nazis didn’t do here , even more my father was banned from posibility to go to university you know why mr.Chevain ? Because he was with father "enemy of the state " on age 77 , that are the facts and i will tell them till the end of my life and you won’t stop me because i live in freedom , get to use to that too .

Well i glad you live in “miserable poor country” ( it’s YOOR words) but in DEMOCRACY.
Now you should be “happy and independent”:slight_smile:
I din’t really say “what you can to tall”,i just noticed that YOUR grandftaher was MUCH more lucky to be only beaten.
Unlike those millions who lost ALL their families, children and life in my country, from hands of your friends.
Who killed peoples not coz they were “communists” but coz they were low race.
Your poblem , buddy that YOU country IDIN"T EVEN try to fight for MOTHELAND, like fought say Poles, Greeks, Finns and Serbs.
And how you are crying (what a voe?) how terrible was life in Bulgaria?:slight_smile:
Your “partisans” were nonentity, they’ve done nothing against GErmans. Even Dutch had much more strong resistence.

And don’t count only how many your country gave as casualties , what the whole Eastern Block gave as casualties + the GDR people trying to get trough to the West and shot on the wall ( btw why this people were running out of there maybe , wasn’t communism a nice sistem with pleasure and enjoyment mr . Chevan ? Or maybe you were in 45 years of enjoyment while others were suffering as repayment for your casualties ? That’s pretty much the same as the nazis wanted suffering from the Allies because Germany lost the WW1 ) so i think we payed and even repayed with so much death sentences over 45 years of harsh communist rule .

You credited “the harsh communist rule”, my dear Bulgarian revisionist.
You paid for terror against us before even commi has come to Bulgaria.
You were the devoited friends of AXIS since WW1 to WW2.
And now you trying to cause the symphaty for you hard life?Tell it to Americans and Germans - they never really seen such a terror. But not to me.

#142

Let me clarify the points , my friend.
I don’t defend the communists crimes- no way. You probably know that Russian suffered from Communism more then any other people on Eath( well just right after the Cinases).
I can understand that the alliance with Nazi Germany was in 1940 in the best interests of Bulgaria:slight_smile:
The Hitler even promised them the Romanian Southern Dobruja and part of Makedonia ( while he promised Odessa to Romanians ;))after the war.
The Bulgaria joined absolutly voluntary to the ant-russian Triple pact that year.
Finaly as we know from mr Ivaylo post- the Bulgarians are not Jews and Russians, so they may live enough good ( and lond) with/in Reich.( i/m really glad for that fact)
So yes, the coalition with Nazism folows to a Bulgarian national interests, hard not to agree.
The Axis alliance was all time in best Bulgarian interests, i have to afdd, since ww1 when Bulgaria wanted to gain its terrotory and get the piece of Serbia.
The ONLY thing that bother me is why mr Ivaylo calls the Germans as occupants?
This is wrong , we can conlclude from his posts- the ONLY Communists were occupants who treated the population, beated the mr Ivaylo’s poor grand daddy.(Notice - German did do that)
So Germans were natural friends of Bulgaria- its’ what mr Ivaylo said us.
When Bulgarian people friendly meet the Wermacht in 1941 before the invasion of Greece and Yugoslavia, coz as we know that they had “ONLY ww1 tanks and rifles”( BTW do you accidentaly know - how much did have Geeks the tanks?).
Bulgaria was a little 6 million country that can’t resist neither German not Soviets, said mr Ivaylo.But facts prove the othervise.It seems NOBODY except few communists didn’t wish to resist in Bulgaria:)
Funny enought, but 3 mln Finland couldn resist.
6 mln Greece resisted
5 mln of Serbs resisted to the end of the war.
How much did they ALLTOGETHER have a tanks?
Can you believe that Bulgarian elite so loved USSR , that asked to join us as one of the Soviet Repablic VOLUNTARY in mid 1970?
Now the defective mr Ivaylo want to say othervise -that the Communists want to murder all Bulgarians, they beated hois grandfather.Whom to believe?
So i don’t believe more to traitors…

#143

Ivaylo and Chevan

This is a mod’s pre-emptive strike, which does not imply any criticism of the conduct of either of you so far.

However, this thread could easily turn into unpleasantness.

It’s been going okay so far as a reasoned and factually supported, if understandably somewhat hostile, exchange.

Don’t take it to the next step of name calling and personal abuse etc.

Just keep to the history supporting your respective arguments.

#144

Germans were occupants Mr.Chevan because they waited with army on Dunabe river on the border of Romania and you know pretty much what will happen if we didn’t allow them - 3 days fight and after very harsh occupation and mass killings . So it’s pretty much the same if someone point you a gun to your head you have no choice . Resistance is possible and right to do when you have resource to do it - USA had it , USSR too they were big countries . Not to forget UK were in hard situation fighting alone in the first stages of the war until the other countries joined ( i don’t mean that they did bad when they defended their own country ) .
Second if you were so much wanting us to resist the germans where were USSR then ? why they didn’t transfer us even rifles or something to fight with ?
Mainly what come was a diplomatic notes from USA and USSR not to join the Nazi pact with some murky promises in them like after the war if you are on our side will possibly give you something ( but it’s not said what ) .

Third the bulgarian tzar Boris III in both occupations didn’t gave order to resist or to move soldiers simply because he didn’t want any bloodshed of bulgarian blood . During the both balkans wars and the WW1 we suffered enough so he was hoping to achieve something only with diplomation . When the Soviets came back here we didn’t fought against them at all . Even more the goverment after 9 September 1944 agreed to send soldiers AGAINST the nazis something that the allies ( not USSR ) didn’t take into consideration .

Fourth independence is never full as like we as persons in this world are not free to do anything as we wish because there are always persons which we count on or need for something . I prefer to be poor rather to be nazi killing machine or sent to soviet gulag .

Fifth please don’t call me with unpleasant and false names i conduct a normal discussion and as you far you see i never called you with bad words against your personality .

Sixth if you don’t respect other nation or nationality , don’t respect their sovereignty in this case Bulgaria and the bulgarians what you expect from us and what you want from us ? Me personally don’t have nothing against the russians as nation and i respect your country as i know and met a few russians so far in my life , but when it comes to give back the respect you don’t give it and call me and my nation with such words as “traitors” . As yourself admitted Bulgaria had followed it’s interest in a concrete situation , which was decided not by the bulgarians but by the tzar Boris III , he though the diplomation would save us . The only soldiers he sent were in the neighbours countries not against Germans in 1941 or against russians in 1944 . The difference comes from the treatment the both countries gave to our country , sadly for someone but the germans didn’t touch us , they didn’t made National Courts to shoot everyone who they see here ( something that sadly again some commies did here with orders from Moscow ) .

Seven - most of my nation still think you are our brothers because yes you saved us in 1878 and we are grateful for that and will be till end of our lifes . But i know the difference between Tzarist Russia and Communist one . And yes my grand father was lucky , others from other countries wasn’t , and i don’t cry about anything i just say the facts .

Eight - i am happy that you admitted that communism made crimes , that’s considerable progress . For the democratic countries today there is no difference between the Communism and Nazis .

Nine - As for the post war era the bulgarian commies pretty much wanted to be liked by Moscow that’s why they did whatever Moscow ordered without questions that’s why they wanted to be with USSR there were other proposals as to join Yugoslavia too , something for which they had to be punished much more than the democracy here did , they were the real traitors because most of them were post "tzarists " officers who near 9 september 1944 simply as the wolf change it’s skin changed their uniforms and disguised themself as stubborn communist .With the help of Moscow they got the power they so much loved .

#145

So what does your last sentence have to do with your preceding points?

#146

Really mr Ivaylo?
Now say me what was a big counries Serbia, Finland and Greese? They had a dammn of resoursess, tanks and mashine-guns:)

Second if you were so much wanting us to resist the germans where were USSR then ? why they didn’t transfer us even rifles or something to fight with ?

It’s simple.
Coz you did not wish to fight.
USSR supported all who foght- Republican in Spain 1936-37,Chinases in 1941-45.
Britains supported Tito in Yugoslavia.
But all those people fought.

Mainly what come was a diplomatic notes from USA and USSR not to join the Nazi pact with some murky promises in them like after the war if you are on our side will possibly give you something ( but it’s not said what ) .

Why have somebodyto tell you what to do mr Ivaylo?
Now this is tupical colonial psyhology - the big boss shall determine for you what you have to do.
Ask the Serbs- did the USA/USSR promised them more then diplomatic notes?

Third the bulgarian tzar Boris III in both occupations didn’t gave order to resist or to move soldiers simply because he didn’t want any bloodshed of bulgarian blood . During the both balkans wars and the WW1 we suffered enough so he was hoping to achieve something only with diplomation . When the Soviets came back here we didn’t fought against them at all . Even more the goverment after 9 September 1944 agreed to send soldiers AGAINST the nazis something that the allies ( not USSR ) didn’t take into consideration .

Oh your tsar didn’t want to fight.
Tht’s why you’ve got the bot occupaton ABSOLTLY voluntary.
You didn’t fight against Nizis ( excpt few pro-comminists patisans) , you didn’t fight against SOviets.And your rotten elite lick the sovie ass pretty well.
Well, my friend, you GOT WHAT YO"VE DESERVED voluntary.

Fourth independence is never full as like we as persons in this world are not free to do anything as we wish because there are always persons which we count on or need for something . I prefer to be poor rather to be nazi killing machine or sent to soviet gulag .

But you have prefered to be WITH Nazis , and then wth Soviets -that’s a real facts.
Whom to complain now?

Fifth please don’t call me with unpleasant and false names i conduct a normal discussion and as you far you see i never called you with bad words against your personality .

I’ve just called you revisionist - it had nothing to you pesonality, but ONLY to your ideas and points.

Sixth if you don’t respect other nation or nationality , don’t respect their sovereignty in this case Bulgaria and the bulgarians what you expect from us and what you want from us ? Me personally don’t have nothing against the russians as nation and i respect your country as i know and met a few russians so far in my life , but when it comes to give back the respect you don’t give it and call me and my nation with such words as “traitors” . As yourself admitted Bulgaria had followed it’s interest in a concrete situation , which was decided not by the bulgarians but by the tzar Boris III , he though the diplomation would save us . The only soldiers he sent were in the neighbours countries not against Germans in 1941 or against russians in 1944 . The difference comes from the treatment the both countries gave to our country , sadly for someone but the germans didn’t touch us , they didn’t made National Courts to shoot everyone who they see here ( something that sadly again some commies did here with orders from Moscow ) .

I know you felt good with Germans .
And your puppet Boris ( who didn’t ant to resist) was very glad endeed to get the peice of Romanian and Makedonian land for colloboratin with Nazis after the war.
And yes it was in Bulgarin interest , finally the Bulgaria fought for pieces of neighbourd lands during Balcans wars.
And i do respect the nations pretty well. But you advocating the COLLOBORATION in sense.
It cant be respective.
While the Boris ( who as i learn - didn’t exress the Bulgaran people wll:);)) practised with diplomacy - the millons went to death camps.

Seven - most of my nation still think you are our brothers because yes you saved us in 1878 and we are grateful for that and will be till end of our lifes . But i know the difference between Tzarist Russia and Communist one . And yes my grand father was lucky , others from other countries wasn’t , and i don’t cry about anything i just say the facts .

No you don’t know the difference.
I’ll prove it for you.
Bulgarian joined to Axis against Russia in 1914.You was an friend of russian enemy again.
No you know why i’ll call the Bulgarians as traitors.

Eight - i am happy that you admitted that communism made crimes , that’s considerable progress . For the democratic countries today there is no difference between the Communism and Nazis .

That’s what i’ve trued to say you.
It’s bad to colloborate with both regimes.But you did it voluntary ALL TIME.
It’s the shame.
You have to understand me- you swear to Germans with Love, than you sweared to Stalin.
Now, quite accidentally , when you have a friendship with Washington - we have learned- the both regimes were occupants.
When we can to believe you?
When did you said the true?
How can we know that , say, through 20-30 years when USA will have losed their world liadership - you will not tell us (or CHina or Turkey - as varianst)) that NATO was “occupation” who “invided” the poor miserable Bulgaria?

Nine - As for the post war era the bulgarian commies pretty much wanted to be liked by Moscow that’s why they did whatever Moscow ordered without questions that’s why they wanted to be with USSR there were other proposals as to join Yugoslavia too , something for which they had to be punished much more than the democracy here did , they were the real traitors because most of them were post "tzarists " officers who near 9 september 1944 simply as the wolf change it’s skin changed their uniforms and disguised themself as stubborn communist .With the help of Moscow they got the power they so much loved .

Yes they were a traitrs, who wanted the communist privilegies for themself.That’s why they lied to ustoo - they said loved us.
But now you is complying on …evil soviet regime:)
Why don’t you blame the ugly domestic scums who berayed and lied to both our peoples?

#147

Understood, boss.
No more unpleasant Nato’s sentences:):wink:
I juts try to improve my historical level with mr Ivaylo.
BTW did you know that Tsar Boris III was puppet too:)He did not say the people that Germans were occupants.
Poor Bulgaria.When the Bulgaians really were under Bulgarian rule?:slight_smile:

#148

Mmm nice humor but unfortunately i don’t get what is so funny in that and as i see the others too :wink:
Maybe the tsar had to wear a board sign with words " we had been occupied i didn’t had any other choice , you saw what happen with Greece and Yugoslavia please for that traitor action towards USSR anyone who meet me beat me a slap because i didn’t protect the holy interest of mother Russia "
Well i will tell you the other part not only Bulgaria but as well the other countries will be free when you stop to accuse them by not protecting your own interest every single time and when you stop to say them that they are not independent with one word - your protectorates . Only when you leave the minor countries like our and other such to be free and to act as their interest say without latter you to want vengeance then Bulgaria and other as us will by under our own rule . Because even now the major powers via the diplomatic ways try to make us protectorates and slaves of their own major interest using their major power .

#149

Finland fought against the holy USSR don’t forget it ( you have to answer why ) and as territory and at least nation yes they are bigger than us , Greece too and Yugoslavia too if you don’t believe me look at the map and see how much population they got .

Why britans supported Tito in Yugoslavia where was the holy USSR ?
A nation like ours broken by two wars against Greece , Yugoslavia and Romania was incapable to make resistance yes nor in the nation anyone wanted it , the folk wanted peace that is simple and the Tzar knowing that used only diplomation unlike you and the germans who prefered the war as main method of convincing of what is right or wrong .
And what difference it would make if Bulgaria fought for 3 days ? None just another nation like Holland crushed to pieces for the interest of the holy USSR . What difference made the fighting of Yugoslavia and Greece ? None they were too crushed to pices and subjected to terror , but the Yugoslavia were unlucky as they just seen one terror the another one was waiting after the war .

As for what have someone to tell me read well what i wrote . I wrote about what the major Allies promised not what someone had to told us . Just USSR and the major powers didn’t have any interest in Bulgaria they didn’t care about it , Britain cared about it’s beloved Greece and you about your child Yugoslavia it’s simple . Like in the law - every subject have to follow it’s interest acording to the major laws . And so the only one who cared even little about us was … guess who … USSR ? nope , Britain ? again wrong …
US ??? they don’t even know we exist … Germany ? ahh what a damn nazi nation but they were the only one who PROMISED us something in exchange to much normal occupation mr Chevan because it was occupation we didn’t invite them to have a cup of tea on the Black see and to watch the stars the Germans said it clearly " if you don’t pass us we will be merciless and will crush you like we did with Yugoslavia and Greece " So if you saw what happened with your neighbours before and with Allies who just send their diplomatic notes in which they didn’t even promised help what about other , you don’t have anything to fight for mr . Chevan . and you even don’t have with what to fight even if you wish because you saw how it ends ( Greece crushed by the Wehrmacht and SS the same with Yugoslavia ) .
Or maybe you think that we had the resource to make Stalingrad here or what ?

And mr . Chevan we fought for bulgarian lands not for neighbourhood lands change your USSR rithoric please , because these lands after the first Balkan wars had to be ours but the Greece and Yugoslavia joined against us and taken them from us , they were filled with native bulgarians something the Holy Russia turned a blind eye and again choosed to support it’s beloved Serbs . That’s why this led to our choice to join the Germans again mr.Chevan not you because you never stood by our interest you never protected it , you always choosen the Serbs . That’s why we always choose Germany .

Another thing i see your happiness from what we got and i don’t see why , it’s like to be happy for such countries like Netherlands that they had been occupied , i don’t understand such behaviour mr.Chevan . Btw speaking of the dutch with your logic they were traitors too - many of them signed for the dutch SS legions fighting against you mr.Chevan for one or other reason .

As for the Serbs i won’t ask them because at the end the poor guys got nothing less a comunist regime leading them to the Miloshevic and the mass killings of albanians in the wars that we know . So i don’t think their fighting gave them something less than missery , they were crushed again quickly by the germans .

And yes i blame both the creators and main leaders of the communist regime as well as our pupets who sold themselfs for power during both occupations .
As for NATO they are not because now we voted that in our parlament and we joined on our own will , something that didn’t happen neither in 1941 nor in 1944 .

#150

I don’t think he wear such a boad coz , mr Ivaylo , the Bulgaria joined to Axis BEFORE the invasion to Greese and Yugoslavia.
As well as the Makedonia has been promised to Boris before even Serbs and Greeks began to fight.
I don’t force you to protect the interes of Mother Russia- you shall protect at least YOUR OWN interests.
And if cooperation with Nazi was in your interest- dont cry now that Stalin had installed communists gov in bulgaria ,according to best soviet intrests.
There were a tiny , but resistence in Bulgaria in1941-44.But it was Communits who ONLY resisted.
So they , as a force who ONLY fought agins German occupants - they had desered ALL RIGHTS to be in power, unlike your defective coloborator Tsar.
All is legitime.

… even now the major powers via the diplomatic ways try to make us protectorates and slaves of their own major interest using their major power .

They have already made you as their protectorate . Just open the eyes my friend.
Amd you elite just work on their interests, just like in 1914,1941,1944.

#151

So what exactly are we trying to say here?

That Bulgaria got what it deserved becuase it was part of the Axis, or

that Bulgaria woulld have gotten the same treatment no matter what side it was on?

#152

You my friend is deeply mistaken.
The population of Finland was TWICE less then Bulgarian in 1940 ( 3 mln vs 6 mln).Plus nobody helped to finns when they fough against USSR during winter war.
They fought alone against the whole Soviet front ( about 400 000 rd army soldiers).
Yugoslavia had ONLY about something 30 000- 50 000 of partisans under Tito’s controll.
But all those nation fought against Invders.’
Bulgarian did not .
That’s what YOUR problem.

Why britans supported Tito in Yugoslavia where was the holy USSR ?

Yugoslavia was neither pro-sovie nor pro-communistic that time- It was ally of Britain.
But were was the Bulgaria?
Well , i guess though:)
You have been busy , devide the Yugoslavian land, just lik in all good tmes ( balcan wars and ww1)

A nation like ours broken by two wars against Greece , Yugoslavia and Romania was incapable to make resistance yes nor in the nation anyone wanted it , the folk wanted peace that is simple and the Tzar knowing that used only diplomation unlike you and the germans who prefered the war as main method of convincing of what is right or wrong .

Oh you have been broken and uncapable to resist , but felt enough good, joining to invasion of Yugoslavia alongside Wermacht:)
Well, well my friend , what will i have learned next?:slight_smile:

… What difference made the fighting of Yugoslavia and Greece ? None they were too crushed to pices and subjected to terror , but the Yugoslavia were unlucky as they just seen one terror the another one was waiting after the war .

No , my revisionist friend.
The Germans have been obligated to hold entire 9-13 divisions on the Yugoslavia( plus Bulgarian, Albanian colloborationists) to fight with Tito.Out of European war.
Yes it was hard time for Serbs. But the Tito has won - and saved their power in a country even after Soviet liberation.Yuoslavia was INDEPENDENT from Soviets after the war.
Unlike defective Tsar Boris:)

As for what have someone to tell me read well what i wrote . I wrote about what the major Allies promised not what someone had to told us . Just USSR and the major powers didn’t have any interest in Bulgaria they didn’t care about it , Britain cared about it’s beloved Greece and you about your child Yugoslavia it’s simple . Like in the law - every subject have to follow it’s interest acording to the major laws . And so the only one who cared even little about us was … guess who … USSR ? nope , Britain ? again wrong …
US ??? they don’t even know we exist … Germany ? ahh what a damn nazi nation but they were the only one who PROMISED us something in exchange to much normal occupation mr Chevan because it was occupation we didn’t invite them to have a cup of tea on the Black see and to watch the stars the Germans said it clearly " if you don’t pass us we will be merciless and will crush you like we did with Yugoslavia and Greece " So if you saw what happened with your neighbours before and with Allies who just send their diplomatic notes in which they didn’t even promised help what about other , you don’t have anything to fight for mr . Chevan . and you even don’t have with what to fight even if you wish because you saw how it ends ( Greece crushed by the Wehrmacht and SS the same with Yugoslavia ) .

Yugoslavia has not been crushed, my friend.They fough to the end , while your beloved Boris helped the Nazis in occupationof your neighbourds.
And as i said Bulgaria has joied to “Tripe parct” before te invasion of Greese.

Or maybe you think that we had the resource to make Stalingrad here or what ?

Or what…
You may to organize at least something kinda Helsinki 1940:)
Pure for the health of your conscience.
But you prefered to invide yuogoslavia :slight_smile:
Nice choose, i have to add.

And mr . Chevan we fought for bulgarian lands not for neighbourhood lands change your USSR rithoric please

I would like to change the “USSR rhetoric” , but English Wiki is’n under my controll , my dear Ivaylo.
You know Brits all time do use the “Soviet rhetoric”:)They clearly told what were lands you fought for:)
Check it up , if you wish.

…the Holy Russia turned a blind eye and again choosed to support it’s beloved Serbs . That’s why this led to our choice to join the Germans again mr.Chevan not you because you never stood by our interest you never protected it , you always choosen the Serbs . That’s why we always choose Germany .

Hmmn , it’s interestig.
SO you , poor guys , all times choosed the Germany voluntary, only coz Russia supported our ALLIED Serbia?
But Serbia all time RESISTED to invaiders.
You didn’t . Whom shall we choose to support?The Nazis ally?
It was sort of vengeace for you?
SO all time supported Beloved Reich, who as you saw by YOUR eyes ,terrorised population Yugoslavia and greese.
You supported the regime that was going to exterminat the entire nations on the East , coz " Russia all time supported Serbia"?
Do you understand how dos much emotional and silly such an argiment?
The problem that Russia didn’t support Yugoslavia yet in 1941.You have choosed Nazis first:)

Another thing i see your happiness from what we got and i don’t see why , it’s like to be happy for such countries like Netherlands that they had been occupied , i don’t understand such behaviour mr.Chevan . Btw speaking of the dutch with your logic they were traitors too - many of them signed for the dutch SS legions fighting against you mr.Chevan for one or other reason .

Nah, Dutch SS were simple COLLOBORATORS.
COz thoushand of Russian hadn’t died for Freedom of Nethelads fighting ugly Ottoman Empire, mr Ivaylo.
Bulgrian colloorators were traitor for us- coz you all time choosed the Enemy side.Just out of princip, as i’ve learned.

As for the Serbs i won’t ask them because at the end the poor guys got nothing less a comunist regime leading them to the Miloshevic and the mass killings of albanians in the wars that we know . So i don’t think their fighting gave them something less than missery , they were crushed again quickly by the germans .

No ,they saved their country from Soviet occupation in 1945.
They deserved it. You don’t
The Yugoslavia was multinational country , that suffered the tragedy not coz comunism , but coz after the collaps of communis local Nationalist have began the rougless Ethnic war.Just like you Nazis friends in Yugoslavia in 1941.
Nationalism -is the father of Fascism, you have to learn it (for a long time of German love)

And yes i blame both the creators and main leaders of the communist regime as well as our pupets who sold themselfs for power during both occupations .

So haw meny your puppets have been charged or imprisoned for Communist era crimes?
How many of them have ben blamed for LIE ( they sweared “with love” to USSR)?
Most of them or their sons now in the power, after magical transformaton to “Democrats”.You kow it.
This’ is anoter dirty story of YOUR country ( that other Eastern Europeans don’t like to remind also).
The Local colloborationism.

As for NATO they are not because now we voted that in our parlament and we joined on our own will , something that didn’t happen neither in 1941 nor in 1944 .

Ha ha ha .
Your parliament voted for American money ( re-armng programs ) and European finatial dotations. Everybody know it.
Just like in 1914, 1941 you gov voted for pieces of neigbourd lands.

#153

I try to explain to mr Ivaylo the simple Jesus commandment- Love your neighbourg as much as you love yourself.
Tsar Boris didn’ folow that rule- he didn’t love Serbs, Romanians , Greeks , Russians and Jews. He loved only his egoistic interests.
That’s why it has so badly ended, mr Falklanders:)
SO mr Ivalyo have tend to blame all others in their inner problems.
Initially , he make me laugh, sying that Bulgarian arny had no “tanks and rifles” and “USA didn’t promised them nothing more than diplomatc notes”:slight_smile:
Now , quite by chance , we have learned frm mr Ivaylo that Bulgaria INDEED joined to Asix to reconquer “its lands” ( stolen by Serbia and ROmania) back.
And that was in best their interests sure.
Quite intersting have to say.

P.S. Wanna get the Argentinian citisentship when PZ will have come to Malvinas to take it back?:):wink:

#154

P.S. Wanna get the Argentinian citisentship when PZ will have come to Malvinas to take it back?

Well, Im sitiing here waiting for that glorious day. Mind you, it may be a wee bit chilly for them this time of the year.:shock:

#155

HAHAHA very funny Helsinki here :D:D:D Helsinki for whom for you ? Only in your dreams . Remember We are not Finland that have harsh winter the germans would simply jump through the river and would have shmashed us to pieces in a 2-3 days campaign just like they did in their western campaign . Actually you are mistaken that nobody helped the finns they received some help behind the scenes . Also your Jesus principle hahahah you gonna tell me that you love your neighbours ? HAHAHAHA You invaded Finland isn’t it ? What the hell you were doing there ?? To show the finns how much you love them ? HAHAHAHAHA
Oh so everyone who is dutch a message from Moscow - you are collaborators ! Mother Holy Russia thinks you are disgrace to the human race .
I can’t love a neighbour even a country which always ally herself with Serbia and other such loving neighbours which always put a knife in our backs . Btw WW 1 when they put a such knife in our backs what did Russia do ?
Said " i allow you cut them and do whatever you want " that’s what you did .
So of course we would join the Third , fifth and whatever Reich , democracy or country who can save us from your imprerial megalomania , and yes we will do it everytime until you don’t stop to act against us .
And with your sentences saying that we were occupying Yugoslavian land you clearly show to whom you stand and who you love , so don’t act so surprised when we choose people who love us :wink:
And no it’s not silly it’s called defending YOUR OWN NATIONAL INTEREST and it’s allowed by the international law if you don’t agree sit and read the law , it’s allowed even now .
Btw if you think NATO are occupiers don’t join but LEAVE the others to join and get away from your " bear hug ". That’s my last ever reply on this theme i won’t loose my time to debate with a pro communist viewer and man who don’t respect not only mine but all countries who didn’t follow his county interest . Over and OUT

#156

The second one my friend , neither UK nor USA or USSR cared about some tiny little country , not to mention that then and even now some people from US and UK don’t know that we even exist .

#157

Why should they?

Every country acts in its own interests as determined by the government of the time, just as Bulgaria did in WWII and since.

The UK and USA and USSR didn’t care about each other during WWII. They just used each other for their own purposes.

What makes you think they would treat Bulgaria any differently?

Why should they, any more than they should know where Yemen or the Gilbert Islands or Chad or anywhere else is?

#158

I know that Timbuktu is twinned with Hay-on-Wye…I just don’t know where it is … Hay-on-Wye, that is.

#159

At least from common culture you have to know geography :wink: Because they knew where Greece is , Turkey and all other what in the middle of the Balkans there is a hole or what ? :slight_smile: And second reason is that we are part of Europe and as such we know the countries part of it we are not some country in South America (nothing against them ) , so it would be nice the others to know about our country too :slight_smile: I don’t say they must it would be just nice of course :slight_smile:
With the other part about the interests i completely agree with you , of course UK and US defended their interest and such is the world , expecially in case of war , so as we did defend our own interest they did defend their so i personally have nothing against that , just i said what was their position towards us .

#160

Want to bet on that? :wink: :smiley:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNs0OYMudls&feature=fvw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3eS1zwfZQ0&feature=related (although at least she had heard of Turkey)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esbS_vT25GU

Not that these clowns are unique to America. Every country has them.