That was a Fokker F-28 fellowship from the navy air arm gen sandworm.
Really though, it was to allow the pilots to store their packed lunches though.
They were all refitted afterwards, because the Argentines couldn’t beleive that hte British managed to finish a half built ship, sail her down to the SA with out anyone realising, and then replacing the REAL Invincible with the then unnammed Illustrious.
Obviously no one knows about this, bar a few crack pot Argies, as the British media is so tightly controlled that not one slip of the massive casualties on board the Invincible has ever been mentioned. Even by the families.
The works at Camel Laird worked 20hour days to build what is now Illustrious and launch her on the correct day, so that no one would notice the doppelganger in the SA. None of them or their familes have ever pointed this out either.
HA HA, welcome to the forum of Argie paranoia and their feelings of inadequacy in the world, and often complete refusal to listen to facts.
Man…you should read your own signature:rolleyes:
If you post idiocy, don’t get upset if you are seen as an idiot… I don’t.
Here endth the lesson.
Just for your note, I would ask to the moderators the complete removal of any unrespectful post like the above in the future.
Lone R, there is some posibilities.
-The guy captioning the picture in www.zonamilitar.com.ar mistook the ship and that wasnt the HMS Broadsword.
Thas was the HMS Broadsword but the guncamera belong to a Mirage V wich also attacked the ship.
-That was another Skyhawk, the more likely since the AAF have 60 A-4s in service in 1982.
Panzernacker, the post was in jest wrt to something that came up with AIDES. And I think yourself and Eagle. In that a picture of Invincible “Burning” was taken by guncameras. It was pointed out, by yourself I believe that the guncameras were not fitted at the time.
Hence the post.
If you read my post underneath the one you have posted and publish the whole story, rather than going on a cut and paste frenzy, you will see that the quote used above was completely idiotic.
It was meant to be.
As I write underneath, Erwin (aka 55heroes) and Irish Duck (as himself) are still peddleing the story on other websites. There posts are just as stupid.
If you can prove that certain Argentine posters on this forum do not have a refusal to listen to basic facts found anywhere on the net or bsic common sense in some cases, when on a thread bring it up.
But I can assure you the posters who do, have done, are generally Cpl Condor, yourself and Eagle. And only Cpl Condor, pretty much all of the time.
As for signature, as it says, if I post like an idiot I am not in the least bit upset by being called one. I can thing of some on the site, who tend to ride the thermals of this site whilst poo pooing others posts then, when they post drivel, get a monk on.
PS. Found in the Argentina’s claim on the Falklands is still a good one
I am only the argentine who still cant withstand you , the others had enough and leave, so If you use the words “argentine paranoia” be aware that I can get this as a personal offense.
I beg to differ, British aircraft losses for the entire war:
Tuesday 4th May Sea Harrier of No.800 NAS, HMS Hermes shot down over Goose Green by radar-controlled, 35mm Oerlikon fire (1.10 pm). Lt Taylor RN killed. Thursday 6th May Two Sea Harriers of No.801 NAS, HMS Invincible lost in bad weather, presumably by collision, south east of Falklands (9.00 am). Lt Curtiss and Lt Cmdr Eyton-Jones RN lost. Friday 21st May Harrier GR.3 of 1(F) Sqdn RAF shot down over Port Howard, West Falkland probably by Blowpipe SAM (9.35 am). Flt Lt Glover ejected and injured, was taken prisoner-of-war. Sunday 23rd May Sea Harrier of No.800 NAS, HMS Hermes crashed into sea north east of Falklands shortly after take-off and exploded (7.55 pm). Lt Cmdr Batt RN killed. Thursday 27th May Harrier GR.3 of 1(F) Sqdn RAF shot down over Goose Green probably by 35mm Oerlikon fire (1.35 pm). Sqdn Ldr Iveson ejected to the west, hid up and later rescued. Saturday 29th May Sea Harrier of No.801 NAS, HMS Invincible ready for take-off, slid off the deck as the carrier turned into wind to the east of Falklands (3.50 pm). Lt Cmdr Broadwater RN ejected and was safely picked up. Sunday 30th May Harrier GR.3 of 1(F) Sqdn RAF damaged near Stanley by small arms fire from Argentine troops. Ran out of fuel short of “Hermes” and Sqdn Ldr Pook RAF ejected to be picked up to east of the Falklands (12.20 pm). Tuesday 1st June Sea Harrier of No.801 NAS, HMS Invincible shot down south of Stanley by Roland SAM (2.40 pm). Flt Lt Mortimer RAF ejected and was later rescued from the sea. Tuesday 8th June Harrier GR.3 of 1(F) Sqdn RAF landed heavily at Port San Carlos with partial engine failure, and was damaged beyond repair (12.00 pm). Wing Cmdr Squire escaped unhurt.
Note around Stanley a Harrier damaged by small arms fire, another lost to a Roland SAM. Not one downed by the AAA around Stanley. The only aircraft downed by AAA over Stanley was one of your own.
I always check my facts, it would be courtesy to check yours before accusing someone else of being wrong. The worst you could accuse me of is a lack of clarity.
You said the the defense of Stanley did not shot any enemy aircraft.:rolleyes:
The only casualty of the Port Stanley air defence was one of their own Mirage jets.
And is clear they actually did.
I always check my facts, it would be courtesy to check yours before accusing someone else of being wrong. The worst you could accuse me of is a lack of clarity.
I did not accuse you of anything, I just said you was wrong…and you was.
Sorry Panzerkaker, it is you who is wrong and guilty of not enough research in this instance.
And yet a quick google on the guy who died reveals.
Nick Taylor joined the Royal Navy as a helicopter pilot in the early 1970’s and flew Sea Kings until the end of the decade, when he crossed into the fast-jet training stream. In the spring of 1982, he had just completed Sea Harrier conversion and emerged from the pipeline to join 800 Squadron, with whom he deployed down south. On Tuesday the 4th May, 1982, a three-ship attack on the Goose Green airstrip was mounted during which Nick Taylor’s aircraft was hit by anti-aircraft fire as he ran in to attack. The aircraft exploded and hit the ground very close to the airstrip.
Nick Taylor’s body, still in its ejector seat, was recovered by the residents of Goose Green and buried under Argentine supervision with full military honours very close to where he came to rest. The site is now fenced off and marked with a proper headstone, it is lovingly tended by the residents of Goose Green who hold an annual service on the anniversary of his death. Nick left a widow but her present whereabouts are unknown.
4th May 1982
Sea Harrier lost. Lt. N. Taylor, RN killed
During an attack by Sea Harriers of No. 800 Squadron operating from H.M.S. Hermes against the airfield and installations at Goose Green, Lt-Commander Nick Taylor was hit by gunfire, almost certainly from batteries of twin 35mm anti-aircraft guns. His Harrier burst into flames and crashed into the ground killing Taylor instantly. His body was recovered by the Argentines troops at Goose Green and given a full military funeral. Taylor was the only pilot of a Harrier or Sea Harrier killed in action by enemy fire.
On May 4th 1982 three Sea Harrier of No 800 squadron carried out another attack at Goose Green. On this occasion aircraft XZ450, flown by Lt Nick Taylor, was shot down by 35mm AAA fire. The pilot was killed.
Why the aircraft was at Port Stanley, I don’t know. Either the caption is wrong (higly likely, as it could be confused as to which air strip the remains are on), or the aircraft was moved.
But by my calculations the AA defence at Stanley is a little to far for their weapons to be effective at Goose Green.
Found this information though whilst researching the exact location of Lt Cdr Taylors death. It seems that the Sea Harrier he was flying was a special one, pulled out of it’s test and research role for combat.
When the shooting war started, the first casualty was Lt.Cdr Nick Taylor in XZ450, brought down by I think a large AAA shell in a leading edge, though some earlier reports reckoned a Roland SAM was responsible. This was obviously uttermost a tragedy in human terms, but also a waste of a special aeroplane; 450 was the first Sea Harrier to fly, in August 1978, and had been with us at Dunsfold for development work ever since.
It had taken thirteen months to instrument this aircraft for the Sea Eagle sea-skimming anti-ship missile, yet the Navy used it on a standard iron bomb raid on Port Stanley. The only good thing to come out of it, as related by John Farley, was that the Argentinians found the missile control panel in the wreckage, and thought "Christ, they’ve got Sea Eagle operational already ! " - thus keeping their ships in port.
Personally I can’t help thinking our subs were more a part of the equation, but it’s a nice idea that Lt. Cdr Taylor’s sacrifice may have borne some fruit.
Air strikes on the Argentinian fleet (even in port) were indeed planned at one stage. A book very worth reading is ‘One Hundred Days’ by Admiral ‘Sandy’ Woodward.
Actually I did more than that I published a complete list together with all the locations and the weapons involved.
Actually you’re the one who is wrong, your source is wrong, Lt Nick Taylor was shot down at Goose Green. And as the information was right above you, you look like a bit of a plonker for quoting just about the only source that was wrong. Given the number of sources of information out there, your research was clearly skimpy or perhaps you may have “darker reasons”, who knows? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
PS Thanks 1000ydstare for pointing out the error of his ways.
