The air war.

I am not offended by your “ha” 1000yds since you were right in the location of the wreck.

But there is a lot others mocking, off topic and disrispectful comments that did offended me.

WRT to the Falklands 25th Anniversary, there are some good pieces in this months Soldier magazine, the magazine of the British Army. They include some meetings between former adversaries and interviews with British and Argentine veterans.

Days of Glory (Brit perspective) here http://soldiermagazine.co.uk/mag/feature4.htm

Latin Spirit (Argie perspective) here
http://soldiermagazine.co.uk/mag/feature5.htm

One thing I was unaware of was the lacking of bergans (rucksacks) for the Argentine troops, even the Marines who were the most elite unit on the islands. This led them to be quite static and unable to move fast or far, with out support.

I wonder if this is why the troops wore their blankets around their bodies? In a form of, what I know as, Hudson Bay Pack. These don’t appear to have anything inside of them though.

Nice links but not much related with the air war.

No, but they were such good links.

Possible Submarine

In May 5, 1982 the ARA Tracker S-2E flown by Lt. Enrique Fortini with the support of a SH-3D commanded by Lt. Osvaldo Iglesias, launch a MK-44 SW torpedo following the route of non-identified submarine. This submarine was detected formerly by other Tracker (2-AS-23) flown by Lt. Carlos Ernesto Cal who was flying to find survivals of ARA Sobral ship.

Why weren’t these on patrol around the Belgrano? Where were they operated from?

From the ARA 25 de mayo, I dont know the location of that ship the 5th may.

She operated around the North of the Islands. Her task was to interdict the Royal Navy Task Forces on the way down. Fortunatly for the British the wind conditions were never right to launch her aircraft, which would be all heavily loaded.

Her S-2 Trackers located the fleet quite early on. And an attack on May 1st, was prepared. Unfortuanly the aircraft would be so heavily loaded with ordance and fuel that favourable winds were required to complement the catapult.

HMS Spartan (sister to Conqueror) was looking for her, but never found her.

After the sinking of Belgrano on May 2, 25 de Mayo returned to port. Her A-4s operated out of the naval airbase in Río Grande, Tierra del Fuego.

Hence the SAS mission planned. I assume her S-2s didn’t take any further part in the war.

The May 5th picture you posted, must be showing the actions on the return to port. The ARA not taking any chances with their only carrier, after the loss of Belgrano. She probably sailed from NE of the Falklands, around the back and in to port.

A rather dated film of 25 de mayo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV_8T1KLIxY

A short clip of catapult launch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbQL3HlIiww&mode=related&search=

Recovery of A4-Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr5s0hdCo0E

Some sort of staged film taht some one has put soundtrackover.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrn7UO1_fvo&mode=related&search=

Are you “panzerargento” by any chance panzerknacker?

Nice clips.

Are you “panzerargento” by any chance panzerknacker?

You are guessing right. :slight_smile:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-fBL6JHi18

Right on Time:

Argentine Air Force’s Douglas A-4P, flown by ensign Dellepiane, comes back limping after having its fuel tanks peppered by shrapnel and AAA -thus losing all of its fuel-, over Bluff Cove on June 8th, 1982. As soon as the emergency was declared, an Air Force KC-130H was sent over to refuel the aircraft in flight, in order to keep the Skyhawk flying. You can see several fuel leaks from the A-4B leaving their trails. Both aircraft arrived safely at the mainland.

Apology accepted, its not a good idea to rely on one source. Books are frequently devalued by shoddy research. For example the Channel 4 book on the Falklands war describes Black Buck 1 as a low level raid with retarded bombs.

Maybe it was relatively low level compared to, say, Space and they meant smart bombs weren’t used.

Nick Taylor was my brother, he was a Lt in the Royal Navy and his harrier was shot down over Goose Green on May 4th 1982 not over Stanley, he was burried by the Argentines and I visited his grave this 25th Anniversary year. I also visited and paid my respects to those Argintinians killed and burried in their cemetry. His Widow Clare Taylor sadly died two years ago.

Sue,

I think I speak for everyone, our deepest condolences for your loss on the 25th anniversary of the conflict.

Apology accepted, its not a good idea to rely on one source. Books are frequently devalued by shoddy research. For example the Channel 4 book on the Falklands war describes Black Buck 1 as a low level raid with retarded bombs.

That book is definately crap. look this:

But no worry this evil papers will not cheat me anymore, those are burning right now :twisted:

This serie of photo belongs to the recce mission of an argentine Boeing 707 (TC-91) from the First Air Brigade. The day was the 21th april 1982 and the Boeing was watching the progress of the Royal Navy in route to the islands. The argentine aircraft was detected ( obviusly) and a Sea harrie climbed to his side. One of the 707 crew take the pictures.

the Boeing itself.

And what about this ? :shock:

KC-130 armed with bombs to attack british merchants.

http://www.libreopinion.com/members/ar/elmalvinense/aviones/005.jpg

More info.

C-130 “Long range Bomber”:

The AAF also used this venerable transport aircraft to attack the british shipping on route to the Malvinas.

2 aircraft C-130B from the 1th air brigade was modified with a Canberra bombsight and aditional pilons to carry 12 x FAS 250 kg bombs.

The makeshift solution was succesful and the Hercules hit 2 ships, the British Wye (damaged) and a Liberian tanker ironically called “hercules” that ship was so badly damaged that eventually sunk.

I wouldn’t get too carried away with the exploits of these aircraft.

On Friday, tanker “British Tay” with survivors from “Atlantic Conveyor” headed first for Ascension, but all this time there was still the danger of attack. Not content with flying supplies into Stanley and refuelling air strikes, FAA Grupo 1 Hercules made the only apparent attempt to cut British supply lines. On Saturday a single C-130 dropped eight bombs on “British Wye” to the north of South Georgia. One hit, but bounced into the sea without exploding and the tanker continued her lonely refuelling duties.

http://www.naval-history.net/F46weeknineTF.htm

U.S. Supreme Court
ARGENTINE REPUBLIC v. AMERADA HESS SHIPPING, 488 U.S. 428 (1989)
488 U.S. 428
ARGENTINE REPUBLIC v. AMERADA HESS SHIPPING CORP. ET AL.
CERTIORARI TO THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE SECOND CIRCUIT

No. 87-1372.

Argued December 6, 1988
Decided January 23, 1989

[quote]A crude oil tanker owned by respondent United Carriers, Inc., a Liberian corporation, and chartered to respondent Amerada Hess Corp., also a Liberian corporation, was severely damaged when it was attacked in international waters by Argentine military aircraft during the war between Great Britain and petitioner Argentine Republic over the Falkland Islands (Malvinas) off the Argentine coast.

http://supreme.justia.com/us/488/428/case.html

That was a blinding result that wasn’t it. One Enemy tanker barely scratched, one neutral tanker smashed up and impending diplomatic incident.

Just goes to show, you can’t turn freight pilots in to bomber pilots overnight.

The problem in the British tanker was the bomb not pilot, not to metion thet the Hercules was anything but a maritime attack bomber.