Well, some of them did indeed drink perfumes and other funny smelling liquids.
Imi, here is a gift for you.
From the report of Military tribunal of the 2nd Ukrainian front for the period 20 Jan - 1 Feb 1945.
Out of 48 cases 4 (app. 8%) cover rape and violence against civilians. Sentences 2 - 8 years of correctional working facility; 1 - 10 years of correctional working faciliy; 1 - capital punishment.
Example:
Ivan M. Krychkov - Capital punishment for “rape and murder of Hungarian women”, according to paragraph 193-28 of criminal code. Sentence executed.
I have more for you, imi, the ones you will really like.
Please, also note how the information is being referenced.
From the report of Military tribunal of the 3nd Ukrainian front for February 1945.
27 sentences of which 4 (app. 15%) are for rape. Sentences: 1 - 7 years; 1 - 8 years; 2 - 10 years of correctional labor facility.
Example:
Second line on the list: Dmitry I. Klyev, private, for “rape of a 13 y.o. girl” in accordance to paragraph 153-2 of the criminal code, 7 years of the correctional labor facility. Sentence commenced.
From the report of Military tribunal of the 3nd Ukrainian front for the period February and March 1945.
69 sentences of which 2 (app. 3%) are for rape and murder of Hungarian civilians.
Examples:
The first line: Vladimir A. Malishev, private, for “rape of 9 y.o. Hungarian girl and marauding” according to the paragraphs 153-2 and 193-7 of the criminal code, sentence is 10 years of the correctional labor facility.
Evgeny N. Luziakin, guards sergeant, for “murder of 3 civilian Hungarians” according to paragraph 196-2 of the criminal code, 10 years of correctional labor facility. Sentence commenced.
Wow. That’s quite amazing Igor. How could you dig it out? I’ve never seen a scans of original NKVD’s reports.
Hm,hmm,hmm… I can tell you, Chevan, but then I’ll have to kill you, ya know… Duty is duty…
Strictly speaking, these are not NKVD reports, but reports of Military Justice departments, i.e. Military Tribunals.
I promise you to commit suicide via the drinking of 0.5 litre of perfumes, provide you the photo of dead me , then you will have to reported at that …service where form you took those secret papers.
Strictly speaking, these are not NKVD reports, but reports of Military Justice departments, i.e. Military Tribunals.
What do you hint on? Were there a military justice in red army!! Now i wonder even more than our hungarian friends…
Thank you Egorka, amazing and scarce documents!
Anyway not my objective to discredit the world war 2 Soviet Army, but the truth is the truth (I know the Wehrmacht and the SS is made horrible things in the eastern sections)
A vengeful Russian Army clunk along Europe into Germany this is a piece from it
Theoretically one can filter out contaminants using things such as bread, at least I’m told it works for mouthwash…
Hey Egorka, seems Nick is “our man” - knows the taste of “funny smelling liquids” too:)
Dear imi.
The major problem i see here are not a crimes of Germans units on East - the tonns of book were written about it both in west and east. You obviously , seems try not to notice/ignores , the crimes , commited by the germans allies on the occuped territories.Such behaviour is
not honest to us, and vile to “ww2 era friends” germans. It’s quite false and dastardly to make a GErman side to be responsible for ALL atrocities commited on East.Let’s take a short look at what went on the territories , controlled by the Hungarian occupation troops.
Here we can see few testimonies of the “actions” , provided by the hungarian occupation forces and police battalions over civils during the “contr-partisan operation”.
I’m trying to translate few part of it for our honored public…
""The Magyars came into our village Svetlov 9/V/42, - said the farmer, Anton Ivanovich Krutuhin. - All residents of our vilage hid from this pack and they are seeing that people are hiding from them, and those who failed to escape were shot . Some women were raped.I’m the old man himself was born in 1875 and forced to hide in the cellar … In all vilage there was a shooting, burning buildings. Magyar soldiers looted our things, driving cows and calves "
May 20 of about 700 Hungarian soldiers went out in the next village Orlii. At the farm they arrested all the men. "When they saw men of our village, they said it was the guerrillas - told Barbara F. Mazerkova. - And this same date, ie 20/V/42 grabbed my husband Mazekova Sidor born 1862 and my son Alexei Mazekova , born in 1927 and made after the torture and torment those they tied his hands and dropped into the hole and then lit the straw and burned in potato pit. On the same day another 67 men were killed "
After that, the Magyars moved into the village Svetlov. Villagers remember the massacre, punitive arranged some ten days ago. “When my family and I have noticed a moving train, we are all inhabitants of our village fled into the woods Hinelsky” - recalled Zahar S. Kalugin. However the rest of the village elders were killed by the Hungarians .
Punishers week suppressed the surrounding villages. Residents fled to the woods, but they found there. "It was in May of 42 - told a resident Orlii Slobodka Evdokia Vedeshina - I and almost all the inhabitants had gone to the forest. There followed, and these thugs. They tortured and shot 350 people including my children were tortured, the daughter of Nina for 11 years, Tonya 8 years old, the little son of Victor and his son a year, Kolay five years. I was left barely alive under the dead bodies of children "
Abandoned by the villagers burned. "When we returned from the forest to the village, the village could not be found - recalls the long-suffering woman, Natalia Svetlova Aldushina. - A few old men, women and children were brutally murdered by the Hungarians. Houses were burned, cattle large and small has been hijacked. The pits, which were dug up our things were unearthed. In the village there is nothing left but black brick. Women who remained in the village, told about the atrocities of the magyard "
Thus,in only three Russian villages within 20 days, the Hungarians killed at least 420 civilians. Possibly that the victims were more - we do not have complete data on this subject. But we know that these incidents were not isolated. For example, in 1943 during the retreat from the region of Kursk region Chernyansky "Magyar troops drove in the camp contained 200 prisoners of war , and 160 civils . In the route of all these 360 people were locked in the school building, doused with gasoline and lit. Who tried to escape were shot "
Those very few testimonies ( i may to find more if someone wish) clearly show us the ralation to the local civils the hungarian occupation army.It wasn’t limited by the rapings and looting over civils.Just in case somebody think i’m biased to hungarians in russia- we have the another vivid example of moral side of hungarian occupation policy.
The raid on southern Bačka
“The 1942 raid in southern Bačka was a genocidal attack against civilians in Hungarian occupied Bačka in January 1942, after the Axis invasion and partition of Yugoslavia. The raid was performed in several places in southern Bačka, including Novi Sad (an event commonly known as the Novi Sad massacre), villages and towns in Šajkaška, as well as the towns of Temerin, Srbobran and Bečej. An estimated 3,000 to 4,000 civilian hostages, mostly of Serb, Jewish and Roma ethnicity, were rounded up and killed by the Hungarian Axis troops. The occupiers characterized the raid as a reprisal for resistance activities, although it appears that the real aim was liquidation of “unwanted elements”. The massacre is considered one of the most notable war crimes during the Axis occupation of Serbia.”
So as it’s appearing very clear - the magyars treated the russians,ukrainaisn much like the serbs and jews( not to mention their old mates romanians) .Their behavoiur in much cases was determined rather not by military need but racial nazis theories and pure ethnic hate . I would not like to call this behaviour as “common” though. Just coz i don’t wish to believe it. And coz i frankly don’t wish to make a pain to our hungarian friends here.
Therefore , dear imi, i would like to call you to follow the more responsible relation to our common history. If you claim the Hungary was victim - think about your neighbour first. We both know the soviet occupation were wrong - equally it was expensive for russians and hostile for hungarians. But , for sake of true, you have to agree - it may never happend if hungary didn’t joined the “crusade to the east”, bestial and fierce.
On a point raised earlier in this (very strange) thread - as to whether it would be possible to have sex with an ancient grandmother without first having consumed at least a half-litre of vodka - well, ancient grandfathers might well consider it. Mind you, they would not achieve much in that direction if they took on the half-litre of vodka as well … Best regards, JR.
As regards drinking perfume, I gather it can administer a pretty good, if somewhat dangerous “hit”. For myself, bad enough to be accused from time to time of smelling of garlic, without being accused of smelling of Chanel No. 5 … Best regards, JR.
Thanks Chevan for the memos, not unconceivable stories
I think these executions is military orders from the germans or the german friend hungarian goverment
The “just for fun” brutish attitude is uncharachteristic at large the for the hungarian peoples anyway.
In the Soviet occupation you’re right: we was on the axis side the peoples expect if we loss, aftermaths coming.
The Yugoslavian conflicts is originate from the judgement of Trianon in 1920
This very unfair “peace treaty” after World War 1 is chop up the hungarian country, and ruin the whole hungarian state and cut millions of hungarians into minority in they own land
We are only outriders in the axis in World War 1, and we lost the 72% of our land that isn’t fair and righteous
Some images
The original 1000 year old Hungarian Kingdom in 1914
http://oi48.tinypic.com/v2vd75.jpg
The number in km² of the chopped off areas
http://oi45.tinypic.com/70hmqh.jpg
The number of the lost hungarian population
http://oi49.tinypic.com/4grfqq.jpg
The chopped off areas new goverments (in slovakia,romania and serbia) discriminate the hungarian peoples who live their regions about 1000 year ago and these areas is belong to Hungary until 1920
Many attrocites became against the hungarian peoples in these areas until these days also
Like
25th of aug 2006 Slovakia: a 23 year old slovakian-hungarian woman Malina Hedvig brutaly beaten by two men, because she’s speaking hungarian in her cell phone at the street
19th of may 2010 Romania: 6 romanian-hungarian beaten by 13 romanians because they speak hungarian in a front of a restaurant
19th of may 2012 Serbia: Serbians beaten serbian-hungarians with tactical telescope batons and steel pipes because they nationality
Sad thing for our brothers and sisters who they can’t live in peace on they ancient lands 
SS soldier with civilians holding a Panzerfaust in the downtown of Budapest
http://i47.tinypic.com/2jc7sia.jpg
Stug column moving in the hungarian lowlands
http://i49.tinypic.com/24q8kn8.jpg
Unidentified axis tank at the downtown Budapest (post edit: Soviet SU-76 SPG)
http://i50.tinypic.com/27xovp2.jpg
Soviet Flak between the streets of Budapest
http://i50.tinypic.com/2dhia39.jpg
Soviet submachine gunners at the downtown of Budapest
http://i46.tinypic.com/md1krq.jpg
Karl Pfeffer Wildenbruch the SS commander of the german forces in Hungary after being captured as a POW (rare and new photo!)
http://oi46.tinypic.com/evap78.jpg
Not an axis tank but a Soviet SU-76 SPG aka “Suka” (bitch).
thank you!
Was it the Heer or the Rot Army that called it the “bitch?”
The Soviets did, actually they had several nicknames for this vehicle. It wasn’t liked too much by its crews.