By the other worlds you mean the Military logistics troops Class I but usially its strength is insignificant compared to regular( read first-echelon line) army. That’s why i very sceptical about “second wave” which implys the masses of troops.
This one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shtrafbat
Under first line un-armed punished soldiers I mean:
The un-armed punished were chased into the fire line as “live baits”. This way the armed troops behind them could locate where the enemy is fireing from.
Hello Adam
Thanks for your images!
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In Hungary only the Soviets
The stories are trusted, anyway when I was a kid, the olds tell me the same
The only time I have read of Soviet units lacking personal weapons and ammunition and having to take them from the dead was in besieged cities like Lenigrad and Stalingrad (the Axis forces had to do the same), or in the prisoner Battalions (I don’t know the name of the unit but it was written that prisoners could be considered rehabilitated if they ‘Atoned in Blood’ for their crimes and if they survived could be sent back to regular units).
The 1/2 litre of Vodka seems a bit large (unless it is watered down), the British Army was authorised a rum ration which could be issued at the commanders discretion (some of it was like treacle and had to be watered down to drink).
Common, imi! That is not good enough. Every story has a source. And even then they require scrutiny.
But you posted tons of completely anonimous and faceless statements with no backing info what so ever.
It is a shame. Because should they have been atributed properly, they would be an interesting souce of information, but right now they are just a pile of empty words.
Why are the emprty worlds?I think we may believe it on imi’s bare words. He is our friend and polite member. I sincerely believe his parents and olds told him exactly the same. And he deserve the empathy even deeper someone can to think.
I just try to sum and restore what was told - your , Egorka , grandfather , has drunk half-littre of vodka before the attack of Budapest , then unarmed, if to believe mr schweinehund and wiki( what is logical - actually why need the weapon to drunk ?!!he might accidentally harms himself) goes to the battle for “enemy’s gun”.But it was just pretext to start an robbering , searching the golds and values, in hary to outpace the NKVD-officers who obviously can’t overtake him with their heavy machinguns behind. Meanwhile not forgetting to rape everything that remind him a female age from 8 to 80 ( no wonder after 1/2 littre!!!) .It’s amazingly , but in short pauses between endless drunk orgies (and writting his memoures) he has defeated the hungarian garrison repelling all the german countre-attacks and destroyed all german heavy panzers. Without gun and even hint of officer’s management!!!Real uber-soldier kinda Himmler dreamed about.3 months he with mates enjoyed and make fun in so called Battle for Budapest.Until vodka has ended!!
Now do you understand what terrible sort of warriors-like the russians are portrayed there? It’s serious. I wish nobody such a fate to know his brave ancestors have been defeater by army of drunkards and rapist.Actualy this is hard heritage and shame. So have a mercy…)))
“Trusted” by whom?
Where do these stories come from? Why are you so sure they are not made up?
… anyway when I was a kid, the olds tell me the same
Then post exactly what you have been personally told by your relatives, instead of anonymous fables.
Because these statements a made like quotes from someone/somewhere, but no information is provided for the origin.
It is impossible to think that IMI knows them from his own experience either. I can as well buy a comic book about WW2 and post anonymously from there without telling you - I can assure you that you will have the same impression.
I think we may believe it on imi’s bare words.
Right, and what if IMI was himself misled by someone??? So it does not matter AT ALL if we do or don’t trust IMI! It would make difference only if he quoted either his personal experinece or accounts he personally recorded.
But as of now I firstly concerned about reliability of the presented quotes.
But wait a second, I can NOT judge on reliability of those as I have nothing to relate to!!!
He is our friend and polite member. I sincerely believe his parents and olds told him exactly the same. And he deserve the empathy even deeper someone can to think.
Again those are not the story of his relatives he wrote here.
If I missed something, IMI, then point it out.
Someone hang to the “business”
http://www.corbisimages.com/stock-photo/rights-managed/HU036516/russian-soldier-tries-to-buy-bicycle-from
We have many jewish russian high assignment IN THE PRESENT ALSO at Hungary, who going insane if the second world war come up.
Our soldiers and veterans who protect and serve our country living in fear IN OUR COUNTRY today because some moping psychotic fumbling the holocaust with the war.
I don’t have good experience with the russians at the present also, your opinions confirm my observations
I don’t see the point why argument whatever in here I have my own experiences in the present
Who those “russian jewish” in present Hungary,by you mind?Really the so mighty to terrorize the vets?
IMI, seriously, what on Earth are you talking about!?!?
I only asked for the source of your information. Does that sound unreasonable to you?
If you have problem with such question, then maybe you should not post to historical forum at all.
Comon, for real!
And about the picture you linked to.
Have payed attention to the women’s face expression! Do you think it radiates fear or “fak-ya-red-barbarian” sort of attitude? Don’t you seee that this photo is rather working against your cause?
Hi Imi,
Cheers! ;]
I thank you for creating this article, there supposed to be a lot of work behind!
Otherwise I confirm your latest comments - I also made a lot of veteran and witness interviews in the last 30 yrs and these many independent testimonies can absolutely not be the part of the collective memory!
A.
Hi leccy,
Yes, we were talking about those punishment (prisoner) units you are referring to.
Returning to the vodka thing: during the first phaze of their occupation the invaders did not mind if there was vodka or else in the bottle they could reach. During also the authorized free lootings they drunk even the perfumes and so up - no matter what, that was alcohol and kicking the brain hard too.
A.
Becouse, otherwise, how will they rape evyrhing from age 8 to 80? Can anyone imagine sex with ancient grandmom beeing sober?Ithink the even the 0.5 littre of vodka would be too small.
Chevan,
Maybe you are a funny guy, but this not that topic what you, or anyone else can make fun of it.
Me funny??! Seems it you who begin posting that funny matter about perfumes drinking, aren’t you?
Thanks you’re right I have many long hours work in this topic, thank for you also to share your photos and memoirs
Please share yours!
About the perfumes: someone told me some soldiers are eating the toothpaste with bread, stole the watches and wear sometimes 10 pieces on every arm but they can’t read the time, and use the books for toilet paper
The soviet officers usually intelligent,but i think these soldiers coming from the uncivilized areas from the Soviet Union, never seen towns or civilized conditions that is the solution of they barbarous attitude
Gents please come off this never ending dispute or continue in private messaging
Thanks
So now we will get some references of the quotes you posted, right?
I mean those “eyewitnesses”,“commanders”, “students” and even a “private detective” - do they at least have names and age?