The Budapest Siege

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Hi new guy, just so you know, posting a number in order to increase your count is considered spamming.(not to mention wasting space on the boards) Please refrain from the practice.

Hi,

yes I know what I am doing…

I would like to send my own pics, linked on postimage, but the system does not allow me to post my comment until I do not have five posts…

This is insane… :stuck_out_tongue:

Then make proper posts that follow the subject of whichever thread you post to. They do not have to be in the same thread. Then you may post appropriate links, and not have any trouble. These are the same rules everyone else has to follow. I’m not trying to make your day difficult, just applying the rules of the forum.

Ok, I will send pics of the Buda hill theater , including the main Luftschutz bunkers, graves, the site where von Wildenbruch had been captured, etc

But I need 1 more post to send…

After a coffee and a cig…

Greetings,

I am a novice on the site, also from Hungary.
I am researching mainly the Buda Hills, but I often visit other legendary theaters and battlefields in Hungary.

In the first round allow me to introduce you the recent situation of the main Luftschutz bunkers of Hármashatár-hegy, a few remainig graves of unknown soldiers and you can find the Akadémia’s main entrance, where von Wildenbruch had been captured at the sewer entrance.

All the bests,

Adam

Oh what a thread i missed:)

-The soldiers were almost totally illeterated.:
All this is true.
I just wonder how this wild horde of practically uncontrollable sexual maniacs and all-time drunk thiefs , that one mistakaly names as “Red Army” could destroy the highly disciplined and professional Axis coalition forces??!! This is sort of mystery for me.Especially if to keep in mind the soldiers had a practice fought quite separately of officer corp and even resisted to realize any commands.
Actually imi, don’t you see some sort of contradiction here?

What do you hint on?
The Soviets writes the distorted “winning history” alone or in company with their anglo-saxon allies?

One possible explanation - a significant number of accounts state that the front-line Soviet troops behaved very well towards civilians, and that rear-area troops often behaved appallingly. This is flawed, like all generalisations, but could possibly explain the contradiction.

yes, I have heard it many times. There is something there that doesn’t click though.
F.ex allegedly the Soviet atrocities on German soil begun immidiately after entering (remember Nemmersdorf case). So that is front-line troops.
Also numerous (largerly unsupported) statements that the captured towns/places were given for free pillage for a number of days. 1 to 3 days periods were claimed.
Well, depending on the period and local situation this also normally implies fron-line troups.
So it looks like wherever you look RKKA was raping left and rigth. Even women in RKKA were raping Hungarian men, if know the story.

What is the “rear-area troops” by your mind?does It imply the existence the two quite different sort of armies? The REAL rear-area troops in red army were NKVD units who were responsible for order in occuped territories.But the troops , implying in a so called “report” ARE the ordinary troops who entered the any occuped city and stayed there for the certain period. Say the armies of “1-sr belorussian front of Zhukov” that captured Berlin , later stayed there untill the mid of summer till the most begining of soviet war in far east. There were no rear-troops. It were the same troops who fought with germans before.
But maybe someone think the rear-troops were the supplied units in back of front?Every army has an special units responsible for food and ammo suplies , operated purely in rear.But the number of those troops were quite tiny compared to the fighting units- obviously they can’t be responsible for all the crimes commited on territories occuped by regular army.So the explanation still not so clear for me.

Hello mate. I’m glad you’ve back.
that’s what i’m talking about. The short time of 1-3 days since the beginning of occupation ( i.e. end of combat) can’t imply the full replacement of troops. So the troops definitelly were the same. You can’t move entire army out of city within such a time.

So it looks like wherever you look RKKA was raping left and rigth. Even women in RKKA were raping Hungarian men, if know the story.

No i dont know a story. Tell us please:)

Greetings Gents,

According to witness reports (I made several interviews due my researches) the Russians were entering any areas in two waves. The first -they were the fighting units- was in a rush, chasing the retreating German and supporting forces and those soldiers were “correct”, they usually warned the civils to hide the values, the women, etc, because the 2nd wave, the drunk looters will arrive soon. These were habiting like the Orc hordes.
We do not have to forget the Comissars, who were behind both lines: behind the first attacking lines they simply shot their own soldiers who were turning back and in the 2nd wave they “forced” the soldiers for 2-3 days free looting, raping and other barbarian activities.
There was strong propaganda behind these things: they were told to do it as a revenge for what the Germans and komerades did in Russia and Ukraine, etc. The truth was that for example in case of Ukraine the Russians slayed down whole villages for supporting the invaders (Stalin starved to death millions because they said no for joining the Soviet Union…), they made photos and officially said to the soldiers that the Germans and so did it.

Ohh, for God’s sake! Not again!!!