True.
But sorry …
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuation_War#Finnish_occupation_policy
So as we could conclude the death rate in finnish camp was 29%.
In you mind this look like the therapeutic- sanatorium, not death-camp:).Kind finnish care.
Sure you right in GErmans camps the death rate was about 60% for the period 1941-45.So the SOviet POWs in Finnish camp should be quite happy.
Nope, I did not think that camps were leisure places, but they sure as hell were not concentration camps. Did you forget that camps were populated by children, women and elderly.
Oh dastard soviets…
They demand the blood…
But what about 4 000 of civils treated to death and murdered during the occupation of Eastenr Karelia?
Soviets demanded normal Finnish political people and soldiers into trials. Soviets did not care about law or just. That is why the convicted are called “sijaiskärsijä”=substitute sufferers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War-responsibility_trials_in_Finland
Oh i even did not guess that finnish population dropped quickly to the half of pre-war figure like Russian civils were reduced since 1941 till the summer 1942?Really the finns suffered just like the russians in Karelia?
Coz the finnish source give the figures of russian population in 24 000 in 1941 and ONLY 15 000 in 1942
According the :
Laine, Antti, Suur-Suomen kahdet kasvot, 1982, ISBN 951-1-06947-0, Otava
^ Maanpuolustuskorkeakoulun historian laitos, Jatkosodan historia 1-6, 1994
Perhaeps the fact that population calculation was done better? Finns did die during the famine, while men and horses were in the Front.
Oh nice humanism. And what about 500 000 of civils in Leningrad?
Why so kind finns did not leave them food?
Molotovs breadbaskets… Not our civilians and we did not harm them.
So it was Karelian land right?They ONLY the legitime owners of those lands.
what about finnish occupation of those lands ?Western Katrelia?
Legimate. That is the key.
Soviets claimed Karelia through brute force, while Karelians fled. Karelians are a tribe of Finns, so there cannot be a “finnish occupation of Karelia”. Eastern Karelia simply had so few Finns left that those lands could just as well belong to the Russians.
How could the Hight Command know about that if the Germans succesfully conquered the USSR untill the november of 1941?
Because Mannerheim was a soldier of the Tsar-Russia when it still stood, he saw painfully clearly the numerous mistakes which took place in the initial phazes of the invasion. He also knew the Russian mindset.
Really.
And what abpout 150++ millions of GErmans and its Europeans allies?( Plus the resources of occuped France and Chehoslovakia)?
As I said, French Morane-Saulnier 406/410, French bought Curtiss Hawk-75.
Front which Finns had was part of the Barbarosa, but least we forget, Finns did not attack until Soviets made Bomb-sorties.
-Also, Finnish High Command knew that Northern Front would not move.(up in Petsamo)
Barbarosa was doomed from the start, but it still went well at it’s first stages.
And what about ammo?
Coulld the single finnish state ammo plan produce enought for the finish Army?
We did not use German weapons.
Jesh, Finns had enough ammo during Continuation war. War-booty from Soviets was in extended use.
Soviets also buy the supplies for gold and in credit - but this rather mean the “Supplies” during the war.
Huh? Allied helped Soviets, and Westerns tend to overestimate the supplies and Soviets downplay it.
-What supplies you meant?
But this is very significant you still don’t feel sorry for the other slavs who were slaughtered by Nazy.
With help of armies of its allies, right?
Slavs are not kin, but still the suffering of Slavics is sad too.
But in the end, Slavs did not had to suffer like Hungarians had to, endure the occupation for so long.
Alas …
Even the BRitish/american Wiki could not hide the fact that
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuation_War#Diplomatic_manoeuvres
SO whatever our finnish friend think - the finnish army has provided a great miliary help for Nazy.
That aid was so selfish as it ever could. Red Navy blockade aided us.
-And Wikipedia is not British/U.S. I like wiki as a source, because articles are inspected.
Besides the Finns supplied GErmany also with success with strategic materials for the few years.
Petsamo nickel. Soviet greed was no different than German. That Nickel deposit was the only valuable ore found in Finland and Soviets wanted it, no matter what.
Ricidilous amounts of money?
As i know Stalin dmanded 600 mln. Allies agreed with 300 mln.
Is it so much for the Soviet side that has received the Leningrad in ruins with ONLY 20% survived of pre-war population?And half of russian population of Eastern Karelia that was treated to death?
Really its strange fact that you think that 300 mln is much.
For Soviet who invaded. For Soviets who caused it all.
We did not start anything, but we who lost more than Soviets were made to pay.
-And Eastern Karelia was not halved from it’s population, do see it again. ALL of Finnish Karelia was emptied from population.
Oh no , i have not read it yet.
You see, how many episodes we still unaware about this war:)
Finnish built Ice-breakers were constructed after the wars as part of the reparations.
Finnish laid schematics and plans was inspected by Soviet delegation, and they demanded that Finns would replace the wooden seating in the sauna into Copper platings, because they wanted only the best to go into the Soviet Union.
Finnish dock-workers were roundeyed, but agreed to the demands and sure enough, replaced the wooden sauna seats with copper plating.
Then they heated the sauna up, and notified the delegation that ice-breakers first sauna-round was in their use.
–After the most painful(and satisfying) sceams, Soviets agreed that the seats should be altered back into the original wooden ones.
