The Great RBitain indeed have helped the Finland very much through the political pressure at Stalin.
Bu finns still did not wish recognize it
No, I meant that Great Britain didn’t help Finland during Winter War. Russians in blind belief in their own propaganda believe of course otherwise. USA and GB did help Finland diplomatically against SU’s interests in Finland.
As well as the Beritain and USA pressured them during the inevitable NAzy-Finnish cooperation.
USA and Britain didn’t want Finland to cut the flow of Lend Lease. The word “inevitable” is because of the actions of SU against Finland. Everyone except the Russians know and acknowledge that it was Soviet Union that invaded first.
That’s right.
Not just Roosevelt but also and Churchill pressure at Stalin.
But if you will try attentive read - you have to notice that Stalin was agreed with them both with one exception -size of repatriations.
Did poor Josif lose any sleep over this?
But he defenitelly agreed to stay th Finland independent in territory of the Moscow treaty of 1940.
Not really. The objectives of the 4th Strategic Offensive were the Kymi-river and the destruction of the Finnish armed forces. Stalin tried to steal Finland before the West would have noticed.
And Both leaders were fully agreed with Stalin in territorial quetsion in Finland. So finally the USSR had the full international righs at those territories.
Stalin had no rights to any territory that wasn’t “his” in the beginning with. And we Finns think that we don’t have rights to any territory that isn’t ours. Just to be sure.
True.
According the allies agreements - the Soviets launched this company for two reasons.
- take its lands back.
- to force the finns finally break the relation with NAzy.( coz as you maybe know the finns till the most end ddid not wish to break with NAzy)
I have no problem with no.1. It was Soviet territory after all. Everyone except knows that Finland would have been neutral if the Soviets wouldn’t have invaded back in 39.
What a Finland again do you mean?The Liberation of Russian Karela was in full harmony with allies. And the finns still were in axis side when soviest started the offensive.
You don’t seem to understand me or are just ignorant (or both). The Soviet 4th Strategic Offensive’s aim was Kymi-river and the destruction of Finnish armed forces. Look it up. We all know what that means. This is what happened in eastern Europe.
What can be argued here?
Tha fact that whan the Barbarossa was started the finns together with germans mined the Gulf? Or that they provided the airfields for German bombers first?
Soviets broke the Moscow Peace treaty first by starting to pressure Finland to cede Petsamo. And again by snatching Finnish border guards, and again by sending VVS aircraft to Finnish airspace and again by shooting down a civilian commercial airplane enroute to Tallinn (this incident is also in the records an in the net) and finally by bombing Finland when Germans launched Barbarossa.
Finland has never recognised Soviet “rights” to Estonia or to the Baltic countries. Therefore Estonia was considered to be occupied by SU.
Oh it was so great help for Allies side in this war:)
So what then? The finns asked the Nazy to wait for a week - does it mean they did not interacted with them?
No, Finns said to Germans that Finland will not start the war. The Soviets will have to start it. Considering the points I made above…there wasn’t too long of a wait until the Soviet Union would provide the necessary act of war which provided the casus belli for Finland. In the end this proved Finland right…the Soviets wanted to conquer Finland, their belligerent actions during the Interim Peace explain this fully unless you’re a Russian. History proved the Finnish leaders right.
Becouse this point has no relation to the "Mythical soviet Propoganda? indeed.Funny how you still have not understood it.
You, comrade, are all about propaganda. The forum moron, the laughingstock, the ignoramus.
And the Britain that was also concerned the finnish participation in barbarossa declared the war on Finland. And immediatelly began the blocade.
I don’t have any great info how concerned GB really was about Finland. Probably not that concerned since they really weren’t there to help Finland against the Soviet invasion in Winter War.
What blockade? Finland was geographically blockaded to begin with since on the other side was a hostile SU and on the other side were the nazies.
Again, you’re an ignoramus about the geography too.
Yes the glorious liberation of Karelia was nedeed to make the finns go out of Nazy.
So, you are calling the areas Soviets stole with Winter War as “liberated areas”? Hanko, Salla and Rybachi peninsula are not in Karelia. You show your ignorance here again.
Or maybe you’re just pissed because with Winter War the Soviets should have first dips on Finnish territory and they weren’t happy because the Germans got there too? 
But the problem with finns that thay deny the any source ( even the western ones) as the “Soviets”. that could beat their convenient theory of ww2 so called «ajopuuteoria» But many of Western historians criticize this vertion of history.
Actually we don’t. The problem with earlier western historians is that it has used Soviet sources so there are no western sources unless they are from the western records itself.
Just for your information: the drift log theory is no longer valid here in Finland.
So you show your ignorance here too.
But was it the problem for finnish interests to take back the Karelia and probaly to realise the dream of Great Finland in case of full Nazy victory?
You read too much on few loud national romantics. Are you so simple that you think that Finns with a population 3.6 million is a imperialistic nation against Soviet Union with its’ 180 million ppl? You’re simply ignoring pure facts.
Well you can call it as co-belligerence if you wish.
But this is just more convenient and soft word for NAzy-finnish cooperation, is it not?
No, it’s the historical reality. You seem to forget the Soviet-Nazi co-op for carving up their spheres of influence. In the end it was the Soviet Empire which grew in expense of others.
Aha ha ha ha;) That great the Smallest democraty in Europe that realized the Race segredation policy for civils:)
For that you have no proof because there is not. Why cannot you already provide the proof of this “huge Finnish barbarism”?
The Democraty that absolutly voluntary had formed the Waffen-SS battalion to fight in NAzy service:)
There were much more Soviet citizens in German service. Does that make SU a nazi country? Besides, the Finnish volunteer battalion has been exempted from all war crimes. They’re clean.
Th Democraty where the death-rate of POWs in camps were even higher than in Gemans ones:)
Yes, Finland is still a democratic country. Soviets straved Finnish pows to death too and with an intention. The lack of food in Finland was because of the Soviets capturing the isthmus in Winter War. The Isthmus provided Finland a considerable amount of its’ best agricultural land.
I do undertsnad that the Finns have its own propoganda for purposes. However i have not even guessed that your revisionism is more insolent that Germans one.
I’m aware that for Russians it is very difficult to understand the real nature of democracy. We don’t need propaganda. We have the truth on our side.
If we’d put Finnish history writing and Soviet history writing in front of an cadre of international and neutral judges…I believe the Finnish one would be judged as truthful…atleast more than Soviet one.
Oh yea, so tell as about “cruel battles” agains Nazy Germany?
How many GErmans the angry finnish solders did killed?
