Things Hitler could have done to win WWII

World War II German Military
#281

Glad and proud of being a corporal again.

Well, there is some very interesting information about the scientist team of Manhattan Project, I would say that it was a jewish bomb, with american money and german science. Almost all of them were related to German Universitys or scientist associations.

J. Robert Oppenheimer american jew Harvard - University of Gottingen PhD
Leo Szilard hungarian jew Humboldt University of Berlin PhD
Eugene Wigner hungarian jew Technische Universitat Berlin
Otto Frisch austrian jew Physikalische Technische Reichsanstalt Berlin
Here he was also the colleague of his eminent aunt Lise Meitner, herself a physicist.
She and Otto Hahn had collaborated for 20 years on work eventually to lead to the discovery of uranium fission
Rudolf Peierls german jew University of Munich, Leipzig and Berlin
Felix Bloch swiss american University of Leipzig PhD
Niels Bohr danish, half jew University of Copenhagen
Emilio G. Segre sephardie jew University of Rome
James Franck german jew University of Berlin
Enrico Fermi* italian University of Pisa

  • his wife was jewess
    Edward Teller hungarian jew University of Karlsruhe and Leipzig

In December 1938, the German chemists Otto Hahn and Fritz Strassmann sent a manuscript to Naturwissenschaften reporting they had detected the element
barium after bombarding uranium with neutrons; simultaneously, they communicated these results to Lise Meitner. Meitner, and her nephew Otto Robert
Frisch, correctly interpreted these results as being nuclear fission. Frisch confirmed this experimentally on 13 January 1939.

Regards,

#282

If I read correctly, you’re saying that the Manhattan Project was mainly a team of Jews? That is fascinating, thanks, but I fear we have veered off topic, I shall attempt to fix that.

I think one of the reasons Hitler lost was his impatience, it’s as if he couldn’t wait to take over the next country and planned too many premature attacks. He was a bright man but he made some fatal mistakes.

#283

A “Jew Bomb?” Really? And I would say this is a vast over-simplification by an anti-Semitic, vaguely pro-Nazi pinhead. The majority of the scientists and techs weren’t Jewish, including the key one–Arthur Compton–who proved it was all possible to begin with.

And “German science” never got anywhere near a feasible bomb…

#284

Interesting counterpoint, I’m just going to do some research of my own and possibly report back, maybe we should start a new topic on the Manhattan Project or just go to a previous topic if one exists so we can stay on topic here.

#285

Reopening…

#286

1 : Inform UK about growing Soviet & Communist threat to mainland Europe,Germany can “defend” Europe aganist Communism.And convince UK to Germany could barrier aganist soviets.
2 : Promise UK to respect their colonies and dont attack them (i think it makes Britain at least neutral aganist Germany’s war aganist Poland and Soviets)
If Poland wouldnt find support from Entente,they would give danzig.
If UK didnt had war aganist Germany,everything would be different.

#287

Promise UK to respect their colonies and dont attack them…

I think Hitler pretty much let the UK know that – and that he wanted to form an allience with them.

But for the Great Britain is was more than securing it’s own empire - it was about stopping Nazi Germany (or the Soviet Union) seizing a huge empire and changing the current power balance in the Europe/world.

Problem with the “communist-threat” card is that for many nations fearing/hating communism, Nazi Germany was even bigger threat (that had to be dealt first).

#288

Oh, those silly English! I mean, we all know how well it worked out for everyone that made an alliance with Hitler. :slight_smile:

#289

Things Hitler could’ve done to win WW2:

1.) Never mess with the Soviet Union so early that there are no German Tanks yet to counter Russians.
2.) Invade UK first before the USSR.
3.) Link up with Japan during the Battle of North Africa/Urals.
4.) Never ever attack Stalingrad until Primary Army Group South Objectives have been reached.

#290

I would suggest to Trap77 that it might be a good idea to pick up a copy of “The Wages of Destruction” by Adam Tooze and read it. It’s not an easy read but sets forth a very compelling argument as to why it was economically impossible for Hitler to win the war. Tooze has a PhD in Economics, teaches history at Cambridge and has an amazing grasp of the Germany economy in the period 1930-1945. None of the things you suggest would have been of much help, and many would have been impossible for Hitler to do anyway.

The book also answers your question of who funded Hitler and it certainly wasn’t Ford, IBM, or GM or even some US bank!

As for Hitler’s attack on the Soviet Union, there was little chance of the German Army achieving any of it’s goals and the German General Staff was aware of it prior to the start of the operation. But Hitler insisted and Hitler had been right about the 1940 Blitzkrieg in the face of General Staff criticism, so there was little they could do but hope for the best.

Bluntly put, the German Army failed in it’s attack on the Soviet Union because it was a “poor” army. It’s logistical reach was not much more than 300 kilometers; this had been adequate in France since distances from supply points rarely exceeded that limit. The German General Staff was aware of this factor and made special efforts to extend it’s logistical reach for Operation Barbarossa to 500 kilometers. By happy coincidence, this coincided with the distance from the Polish/German border start line for Operation Barbarossa to the Dnieper-Dvina River line where it was planned to trap and destroy the main Soviet formations. It was estimated this would take about six to eight weeks. Beyond this line, the General Staff realized it’s ability to supply it’s troops would be severely degraded and their fighting power would be reduced accordingly.

So, the German Army had to advance quickly, destroying the Soviet forces and eventually shatter the entire Soviet Army before it could withdraw behind the Dnieper-Dvina Line. If the Red Army was able to withdraw beyond the 500 kilometer limit, the German Army would be drawn into a war of attrition which it could not hope to win against the superior Soviet manpower. As long as the Soviets could maintain their Army and could continue to maneuver, there was little chance that the German Army could shatter it so thoroughly as to knock the Soviets out of the war; capturing cities, even one like Moscow would not achieve the German goal, it would only prolong the war. Moreover, the Germans would quickly become exhausted since they had no strategic reserve of manpower as did the Soviets.

If the Germans failed to destroy the Soviet Union, and avail themselves of the food, coal, and oil they expected to seize, the skyrocketing production of British and American aircraft would soon overwhelm their own feeble efforts to build up their air force and lead to their defeat in an air oriented war.

#291

As for Hitler’s attack on the Soviet Union, there was little chance of the German Army achieving any of it’s goals and the German General Staff was aware of it prior to the start of the operation. But Hitler insisted and Hitler had been right about the 1940 Blitzkrieg in the face of General Staff criticism, so there was little they could do but hope for the best.

@Wizard, yeah, I think Hitler’s right on the 1940 Blitzkrieg strategy that defeated France and BEF. But Hitler should’ve taken on 1 objective: to take Moscow or the Urals because it will totally destroy the Soviet’s supply and morale line. However, if he (hitler) only waited for 2 more years and manufactured the Tiger and Panther tanks and not using restated tanks to counter the t-34s or IS-2s.

#292

  1. The USSR and Germany were effectively allied prior to July, 1941, yet the Soviets could, and were, producing tanks faster than Germany could. So waiting just means that the USSR has progressively a far larger numbers of tanks.

  2. Germany could never have launched a successful invasion of England for two reasons; a) The Luftwaffe was never able to achieve air superiority over the English Channel. b) Germany’s navy was pretty much non-existent (especially after the Norwegian campaign) and could never protect an invasion fleet from the Royal Navy. Both of these problems would have to have been overcome or an attempted invasion would have ended in a slaughter. Germany just didn’t have the industrial resources to produce a superior air force or a navy capable of challenging the Royal Navy.

  3. Besides the fact that Japan just wasn’t interested in aiding it’s Axis partners, the Japanese didn’t have the logistical shipping to support forces halfway around the world from Japan (there was a severe shortage of oil in both Japan and Germany, for example). Moreover, Japan had it’s hands full in the Pacific against the US, and wasn’t able to divert forces from that theater.

  4. By the time Stalingrad became an issue, the Germans had already lost the war in the Soviet Union, they just refused to recognize that fact.

#293

Japan didn’t even have the shipping necessary to invade Australia in 1942-43, nor could it spare the troops necessary to invade. As long as the Suez Canal was denied to the Axis powers, Japan could not provide shipping or troops in German theatres in North Africa or anywhere else by the long route around the Cape of Good Hope.

As long as China and India were denied to the Axis powers, Japan could not link up with Germany by land.

And, as you say, that assumes that Japan had any interest in helping Germany, which it didn’t.

#294

And, as you say, that assumes that Japan had any interest in helping Germany, which it didn’t.

Actually, the German and Japanese plans during the North African Campaign, is to make Rommel’s Afrikakorps and the whole Army Group Afrika flank the soviet’s behind in the Urals and then, meet the Japanese soldiers marching through India.

And also for addition to my ideas on What Hitler should’ve done,
5.) He should’ve focused on defending the Allies on the West and not initiate the Ardennes Offensive. (It’s obviously a suicide dude! You have no more Fuel left!) :wink:

#295

Do you have references for those plans?

And also for addition to my ideas on What Hitler should’ve done,
5.) He should’ve focused on defending the Allies on the West and not initiate the Ardennes Offensive. (It’s obviously a suicide dude! You have no more Fuel left!) :wink:

He didn’t have a lot of options by that stage, as whatever he did he was going to lose.

#296

Do you have references for those plans?

I read some photo article somewhere in worldwar2database.com sometime.

He didn’t have a lot of options by that stage, as whatever he did he was going to lose

I totally agree with you. By the Soviets coming in from the East they are totally toasted.

I have a question, If Germany didn’t mess up with the Battle of Britain and make peace with UK, you think they can take on the Soviets by the mass power of the Luffwafe?

#297

I think you might be recalling a long term Axis ambition as a plan.

They never got to the planning stage, not least because China and India were in the way on the Japanese side and the Soviets on the German side.

No.

Soviet geography and production would always defeat Germany as long as Stalin was willing to throw all his resources against Germany, ably assisted by Germany’s pointless and stupid brutality with Einsatzgruppen etc which encouraged the Soviets to fight Germany.

#298

Soviet geography and production would always defeat Germany as long as Stalin was willing to throw all his resources against Germany, ably assisted by Germany’s pointless and stupid brutality with Einsatzgruppen etc which encouraged the Soviets to fight Germany.

So, you’re saying that Germany would lose in anyway against the Soviets?

Hitler’s very ambitious. He’s over-rated himself after the Fall of France in 1940. Thinking that he could take on on any European nations.

#299

Almost certainly.

For just one example of Germay’s deficiencies, what hope do you think the German army heavily reliant on horse drawn transport had as its lines of communication extended further into Russia while the Russians withdrew yet had adequate resources behind them?

Without a stunning defeat in the opening days of Barbarossa (and perhaps even with it as the Soviets still had huge resources to wear down Germany), Germany was almost certainly bound to lose. The rest of it was just Soviets mauling Germans until Germany was exhausted.

Of course, it didn’t look like that at the time, but history shows that the odds were very much on the Soviets’ side.

#300

Of course, it didn’t look like that at the time, but history shows that the odds were very much on the Soviets’ side.

Well, in the movie Valkyrie starred by Tom Cruise, the Conspirator Government said that they knew that Germany would loose the war from the start and so that they must kill/confront Hitler.