Why does this remind me of the ‘You’re all individuals’ scene in Life of Brian? 
LOL
Good old Month Python
But that fact remains that people in different countries are teached different versions/views/sides of the history. And that there will always be heated exchanges (hopefully just the words are exchanged).
And I’m not so sure adults are always acting wiser than kids ;-D
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Do you think that any ordinary person who was deprived of everything, was forced to work at a Soviet plant like a slave for miserable wages, fearing for his life and the lives of his family and relatives would agree with you?
We both know that this is wrong, as well as Kato.
But the populist politicans want to “Join its the Nations” around them and simply used the old fascists tactics and slogans “to guilt the one foreign nation in all problems”. We all know how they has finished;)
What problems? It goes about genocide in 1932-33.
I think the famine of the 1932-33 was a serious mistake of the Soviets, but it wasn’t a planned evil action.
It wasn’t planned?
The isolation of the whole Ukrainian regions by the large quantities of Soviet troops in order to prevent starving Ukrainians from escaping and saving their lives. Ukrainains who managed to leave for other parts of the USSR were to be arrested or killed by local authorities. All the orders for these actions were issued by the central government in Moscow.
The raids and sweeping operations conducted during severe famine, when people were dying en mass, the Soviet troops continued searching for any hidden food-stuffs or anything that could be eaten. The found food-stuffs were often just destroyed in the eyes of its owners.
The adoption of severe laws that prohibited to gather the remaints of wheat or other plants after harvesting on state-owned land.
The Moscow’s official refusal to accept foreign humanitarian aid, criminal denial of any cases of starvation in Ukraine, total export of the Ukrainian agricultural products at the very same time.
The influx of settlers from Russia to depopulated regions as a result of genocide. They received the houses and property of killed Ukrainians.
All these and other facts are supported by thousands upon thousands of survived witnesses, soviet documents etc.
At that time foreign diplomats in the USSR unanimously described the artificial famine in Ukraine in secret reports to their govermnets as genocide.
None of the states of the world including Polish one or reputable international organization officially claims that there was ethnical cleansing. So there is nothing to deny.
It is really strange that the man who few threads ago want to prove us that the Negros are subhumans ;)Now tells about moral rules:)
There was a discussion about the abilities of the Negroid race towards Maths, engineering and natural sciences. If you consider people who are not good at them as subhumans, it will be your personal opinion.
So on you mind ONLY the Ukrainians lives are importains to choose the worlds?
Ukrainians have a right and ability to assess events of their history on their own. Moscow attempts of writing its “right” history for other nations just irritate others and worsen the attitude to the ones who claim to be Russians in the Russian Federation.
Wrong consequence of states Kato.
You should write so:The states that considered famine as henocide were
1.Nazi Germany and Nazy controlled Europe in 1933-45
Very objective information. If I am not mistaken the first country that officially recognized Holodomor as genocide was such a Nazi state as Canada. Most of other started to join Canada in the 1990s.
- The USA and american controlled states - in 1953 - untill now.
Yeah, Americans forced them all to fulfil their will in this issue.
Russians are sure that only the USA and Russia are the subjects and all the rest of countries are objects and their vassals.
- The the newest Baltic “democraties” who almost officially support domestic Neo-nazy in , installs the monuments and marched the Waffen-SS parades
I wonder why no Russians flee these terrible “Neo-Nazi” states back to Russia? Perhaps the Balts should conduct parades of veterans of Russian punitive units? It will be O.K. then?
- The so called “orange” states like Ukraine and Georgia where the Nationalistic politicans tryed to Use the Idea of “External threat” in its personal politica interests.All those states are in deep political and economical crisys coz its polarisation of the society or dictators methods of rulling.
It is laughable to connect modern Ukrainian and Georgian government to nationalism.
There is not any economic or political crisis in Ukraine.
If you want to talk about polarization of the society, you’d better talk about armed struggle of your fellow-citizens - local Islamists and separatists in the South of the formation known as the Russian federation.
They really planned the essential support, however the Kim Philby has sended the infor about it to the USSR and KGB could liqudate in the most beginning.
Yeah, to be able to deliver some support, the West should have win over the communist regimes and Soviet troops in the Eastern Europen states borderering on Ukraine. So your claims in this respect are devoid of common sense.
Not so.
I/m really claimed that the Russians were the main victims of Red TError compain in the 1918-1922.
If Russians had been the main victims of red terror compain 1918-1922, the communists would have never come to power. Besides you as most of modern Russians would not be so anxious in whitening the Soviets, and denigrating the national resistance in Ukraine, Baltic states and Belarus to the very same Soviet regime.
The modern political establishment of Kazahstan does not do it because of tensed ethnical relations that were on the verge of mutual massacre in the early 1990s. The raising of this issue will inevitably lead to distabilisation inside Kazahstan. Considering local colourite it will end in lynching Russians.
However, it does not mean that the necessary legal procedures will start later.
How was the British economy destroyed by world war II? It appears that British losses were considerably less severe in WWII than in WWI and the u-boats were less succesful against British shipping.
Just wanted to post, no hard data yet to back it up, but don’t you think it was a combination of two things:
WW1 fallout (expenses and loans)
plus
the costs of keeping a far flung empire afloat
I’m not sure the manufacturing status of British industry at the time, but weren’t they losing out to American manufacturing? Sorta like today, when US industry is all outsourced to low-wage countries?
I’ll have to do some more digging before I can give a real good answer, tho…
Quite simply, it wasn’t destroyed.
Britain was broke at the end of the war on account of the war debt that had built up, but it would be wrong to say its economy was destroyed. Especially as its industrial base was still intact and its raw materials were still being supplied by the colonies. During the fifties, and the sixities to some extent, there was full employment.
However, as colonies began to become independant and compete against Britain with cheaper labour, then things began to decline. An example would be the cotton industry. Cotton as a raw material was imported from India, put through the manufacturing processes in England and sold back to India as finished products. Of course, Ghandi had always been against that, and once India began to manufacture cotton fabrics, both for domestic use and export, Britain couldn’t compete.
The major cause for Britain’s industrial decline was its inability to compete on the world market. As well as using outdated industrial equipment, they also had the trades unions demanding such high wages that the goods produced were overpriced. For example: the shipbuilding and steel industries, which had always been huge in Britian, found that they were unable to compete with Japan.
There were a whole lot of factors at work:
- Cash - by the end of WW2 the UK had no reserves left. We were having to sell warships for scrap metal to pay civil servants by 1946 or so.
- War damage - civilian casualties weren’t all that high, but the housing stock and industry had been heavily damaged. The UK needed to spend a hell of a lot of money just to get back to the 1939 position - money it didn’t have and in any case had to spend to keep the Empire together and the Russians out.
- Industrial base. UK manufacturing industry had been structured to turn raw materials freely available via lend-lease into the most destructive weapons systems possible for a given labour force. No thought at all was given to the most cost-effective way of doing things, or to what they could sell after the war. In 1945 the end of Lend-Lease kicked the props out from under British industry while at the same time it suddenly had to find markets for what it produced - which was mostly weaponry in a world awash with it.
- Working practices - those in the UK were truly awful. The US had the best in the world to start with, while Germany and Japan had been pretty much destroyed and were largely rebuilt on the US model.
The “full employment” of the time was largely a chimera - based on residual goodwill from the Empire and restrictive trade practices. When these expired, the UK had the problems of the 1970s. Only Thatchers brutal reforms have left UK industry with some hope of competing. Even then it isn’t doing brilliantly - largely due to City short-termism.