WWII Posters & Art

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#41

Wow dear mr Librarian, your managed library has a lot of damn exclusive and unique photos, never been scanned and posted in net before.I still can’t find ever any one photo posted by you in another site.That’s make me to conclude that you have to organize the personal photo-site in future. I’m not sure about copyrights, however.

Nevertheless, I still do remember that my good old teacher, Brigadier General Augustin M. Prentis, PhD (United States Army) officially confirmed that those highly trained American specialists within the Army Air Forces School of Applied Tactics at Orlando Toxic Gas & Decontamination Range had actually proved that aerial spraying indeed was the ultimate cost-effective solution for a truly effective application of chemical warfare materiel:

Accidentally, were not those highly professional guys from school at orlando personaly responsible for chemical aerial spraying ( Agent Orange produced by Dow Chemical è Monsanto corporations) in Southern Vietnam a couple decades later?

#42

Very interesting posters: thanks

#43

Oh, thank you very much for your kind words, you my dear Mr. Chevan. You know, as an old-fashioned fellow I do know that even though educational methods have changed and broadened, students still are deeply dependent upon the library for instruction, information and successful study. If supplemented by the imagination and interest of the librarian, good old libraries will help development of a studying course rich in the possibilities of constructive, matter-oriented learning. :slight_smile:

On the other hand, you could reflect upon my personal activities here as to some tiny mixture of an all-important, traditional educational service called “interlibrary loan”. You see, once upon a time libraries used to lend freely each other rare source-materials needed by students and faculties for unrestricted scientific research and study. My only personal innovation is that the carrying charges are completely free for all the borrowers. You know, in that old fashioned, nowadays completely forgotten manner established by my personal benefactor, Mr. Andrew Carnegie. And our distinguished web-site is perfectly apposite for those munificent activities as well. :smiley:

Accidentally, were not those highly professional guys from school at orlando personaly responsible for chemical aerial spraying ( Agent Orange produced by Dow Chemical è Monsanto corporations) in Southern Vietnam a couple decades later?

Only partially, my dear Mr. Chevan. Although they prepared and published an scientific study called “Marking and Defoliation of Tropical Vegetation” in December of 1944, in point of fact they had only rediscovered some previously known findings, already published in 1932 by renowned German authors Dr. Ulrich Müller – Kiel, Dr. Rudolf Hanslian, and Dr. Richard Roskoten. German specialists actually were first to mention that combat-distribution of bromomethyl ethyl ketone (also known as Homomartonite or Bn-stoff) saturated clay dust was capable to defoliate French beans (Phaseolus vulgaris L.) in the First World War. Everything else represented only a logical and object-oriented evaluation and further technical refinement:

Good old Luftwaffe Sprayer – Do 23 Schädlingskampfer in low-level battle against red spider mites, thrip and other pernicious pests - 1940

Of course, the residual effects of spraying bothersome plants was not publically discussed or reported. The main thing was that the chemicals got the job done… :rolleyes:

Full responsibility for all the extent and patterns of usage of Agent Orange and all other Rainbow Herbicides for tactical defoliation and crop destruction in Vietnam, however, lies upon those wise egg-headed guys connected with the project AGILE. You know… engineers don’t make the headlines – they just make the news. :army:

And now, back to our main theme:

Yes! 2 cents an hour are slave wages! AFL-CIO administration has to take more active role in mediations! Future changes in the organization of cooperative labor associations may be expected. Yes – management will be violently opposed against it. Secretary of Labor also, because he thinks that it would be a bad precedent for the nation. The press will be able to crucify the idea, and the public will be completely confused. Even some unions will be noncommittal! But one day in our common, distant European future of the XXI century, we will win a eight-hour day with a decent pay raised up to $ 1,90 an hour! And above eight would be time and a half! Exploited masses ought to be raised to a decent level of living!

And here is one connected with your ancestors, my dear Mr. Chevan. As we all know, till Hell freezes over good old Vanyushka from Matushka will be provided with all necessary amounts of Saccharine. After all, he has to be in shape for the Krauts…

Well, that’s all for today. In the meantime, as always – all the best! :wink:

#44

Interesting. I admittedly do not know much about chemical warfare other than the fact it sounded very disturbing during my initial entry military training and something I hoped to avoid, even with the lurking threat of it during the first Gulf War. But what I have read is that they are often dodgy and unpredictable and effective use of anti-personnel agents in highly dependent on atmospheric conditions. You’re quite right about air superiority, sir. I would add that smaller caliber antiaircraft units could also wreak havoc on low level “crop dusting” medium bombers and attack aircraft…

Regards…

#45

Hi Librarian,
are these from Life magazine ?

about aerial spraying : I remember that the americans spayed some insecticide in the jungles of the pacific to try to control malaria infested mosquitos. (DDT ?)
could it be the same unit posted above ?

#46

Good evening, honorable ladies and gentlemen. I had a truly demanding daylight hours, but, fortunately, I had plenty of time to recover and to prepare my answers as well. :slight_smile:

I would add that smaller caliber antiaircraft units could also wreak havoc on low level “crop dusting” medium bombers and attack aircraft…

Not obligatorily, my dear Sir. Actually, they would have been quite ineffective for adequate protection of employed ground troops. You see, numerous mathematical analyses undertaken by various scientific teams in Germany, USSR, Great Britain and USA as well, have concluded that the low-level attacks could be delivered to the enemy in a very cost-effective way, for the reason that the attacking aircraft can neither be accurately detected nor efficiently suppressed.

I think that this magnificent practical presentation undertaken not so long ago by Mr. Pete Teichman will be able to efficiently demonstrate all those advantages of the low-level attacking:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9O6Eg_6DTso

A little bit more up to date variant of the low-level attacking advantages is presented here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fisq2v_w0wg&feature=related

You see, my dear Mr. Nickdfresh, only the fully in-depth developed variant of a so called umbrella-type of the AA barrage would have been adequate for the effective protection of those ill-fated ground troops. Unfortunately, the average ammunition expenditure for that activity is almost completely unattainable for all maneuvering units without fully mechanized light AA guns. Furthermore, if outfitted with some supplemental armor panels added to the bottom of the fuselage and protecting the fuel tanks and pilot, the engine cowling, and the landing gear mechanisms, attacking airplanes were able to achieve some additional advantages, like practical immunity to the small-arms fire.

Furthermore, with a carefully selected and sufficiently chemically stabilized toxic compounds, all those surprised ground troops would have been lifeless approximately 4-10 seconds after the speedy combat flypass. It was well-known, for example, that inhalation of the HCN in concentration of 300 mg/m3 is immediately fatal (Patty, 1942), and those concentrations were fully achievable in mid-fourties.

For example, imagine this technical configuration: four streamlined liquefied gas dispensers, each holding cca 85 – 100 l and weighing approximately 170-190 kg, are fastened to racks underneath the wings of the Republic P 47 Thunderbolt. When the discharge line is operated in a high speed low level flight (supported by long salvos of those 12,7 mm machine guns if necessary) by electrical means controlled by the pilot, the pisonous chemical runs out of the tank and is broken by the air blast into a finely atomized cloud of droplets, which fall to the ground forming a rectangular, clearly visible pattern.

The larger drops fall almost underneath the plane, while the small ones are carried farther down-wind. The length of the pattern is the distance that the airplane has traveled during the time the tank was emptied. The lower the airplane and slower the wind, the narrower the pattern (and vice versa). A wind at right angles to the line of flight gives a wider pattern than a parallel wind.

Low-altitude fighter bomber gas dispersing – completely apposite combination for a cost-effective combat

Now imagine our dearly beloved high-power birdie hurling some 15 meters above the ground with 550-600 km/h, and peppering everything with 0.50 cal. fire. Approximately an area about half a mile long by about a quarter a mile long may be covered by one of the four tanks. If necessary, all four tanks could be use in the same time too for more intensive saturation. The entire area thus covered is contaminated by highly toxic vapor and droplets of chemical. Since the agent has been finely atomized, evaporation is very rapid, and the immediate concentration of gas in the air is extremely high, greater then obtained by any other weapon, with the lethal effects produced more quickly, and all the toxic possibilities of the agent more completely realized.

Tally Ho! Good old Coughin’ Coffin Jug is speeding and pouring in a low-level chemical attack: enemy will be unable even to aim successfully

By my personal opinion, my dear Mr. Nickdfresh, those old American engineers, tacticians and technicians possessed an adequate amount of preparation and exercise to write down some intriguing headlines, like “Performance That Proves Progress”.

Hi Librarian,are these from Life magazine ?

Howdy, my dear Mr. Windrider. No, not only from “Life”, but also from “Colliers”, “Esquire”, “Look”, “Good Housekeeping”, and “The Saturday Evening Post”. :smiley:

about aerial spraying : I remember that the americans spayed some insecticide in the jungles of the pacific to try to control malaria infested mosquitos. (DDT ?)
could it be the same unit posted above ?

Sorry, my dear Mr. Windride I don’t know. All subsequent transfers and reallocations of military units engaged in those experiments at Orlando Rage and Chemical Yards were not mentioned in literature that was available to me. :frowning:

And finally, another startling ad from the forties. I am sure that additional comments are completely unnecessary:

In the meantime, honorable ladies and gentlemen, as always – all the best! :slight_smile:

#47

Another scan from my book “Life Goes to War A Picture History of World War II”

LIFE artist Fletcher Martin’s conception of the desperate fire fight on Tunisia’s Hill 609,which occurred after an obscuring cloud had abruptly lifted and the Americans (right) saw the Germans(left) only 15 yards away.The sudden battle ended after some 40 Germans were killed

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#48

That’s is the very true.
The Low-level attacking is an effective way to neitralize the AA-defence. Yet in Eastern Front the the soviet “Night witches” did use the biplan U-2 as a bomber , droping the bombs from an extra-low altitude ( up to 10-15 metres). But they did it by night and with cut off engines:)
The Germans even tryed to organize the something kinda AA-umbrella-type defence, however it worked not much efective when the group of U-2 began the attack the target all together from different directions at one moment. In the war of pacific the we might to observe the same situation- the Japanese kamicadze , if it was possible, tryed to attack an american ship from different angles and direcions at the moment- to neitrlaize the ability of AA-command to concentrate the fire on the each one of them.
In Vietnam i know the F-4 fled from the attacking S-75 missles and ZSU-24 shells ,diving down to low altitude.

#49

A propaganda poster depicts the Philippine resistance movement during the first year of Japanese occupation. Following the fall of Corregidor on May 6, 1942.

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#50

The old-fashioned method is endeed fine , my friend, however not every man has the possibility to visit the really big and great library , like yours is.The tiny buatiful city Senta is probably the oldest city of Serbia and Hungary with great cultural traditions and architecture.I know in my city-library i can’t find even single issue of mentioned above magazine “Life”. Thanks to you for your highly useful postings.

And here is one connected with your ancestors, my dear Mr. Chevan. As we all know, till Hell freezes over good old Vanyushka from Matushka will be provided with all necessary amounts of Saccharine. After all, he has to be in shape for the Krauts…

yeah,thick-mug, just give him enough the lend-lise Saccharine and chocolate and he will sleep all the further battle:)

#51

Well, if truth is to be said, free donations and carefully planned procurements actually are representing a miracle, my dear Mr. Chevan. You know, while my distinguished colleagues were not in agreement as to whether it is better to keep all books under one roof in special departments or to spread departmental libraries over the country, I have developed large collections of everything. As you know, all work and no fun isn’t good for anyone. :lol:

On behalf of those AA defense methods, I think that a specialized thread will be the best solution. After all, department of military sciences is highly desirable in every decent library. :wink:

And, please – don’t be so harsh toward poor Vanyushka. You see, any fair appraisal of the graphic design of the War would clearly demonstrate that some kind of a lucrative optimism was the central figure in all those wartime ads. The euphoric, and basically humanistic spirit expressed itself in different symbols of romantic optimism in human destiny, amongst which numerous artists featured prominently materialistic moments of every kind, shaping the ideals of the consumer society.

And the Motoring Dream was sometimes epitomized to the point of pure surrealism – like in this absolutely marvelous ad created by Willys – Overland Co. in 1943:

You know, my dear Mr. Chevan, chances for the global post-war prosperity actually have been quite real! With Jeep money pouring in, Willys-Overland began planning a postwar car. As early as 1942 John Tjaarda, father of the magnificent 1936 Lincoln Zephyr, approached W-O Board chairman Ward Canaday and suggested that the Willys Jeep become the basis for what he envisioned as a postwar world car! Tjarda pointed out that since the Jeep and Jeep parts were already stockpiled all over the globe, why not sell civilian and military versions worldwide after the war? Canaday considered Tjaarda’s idea, but then put it on hold…

Just imagine all those perspectives of an all-steel unitized construction, engineered in a manner that engine could be placed either front or rear, as Tjaarda suggested! However, although his ideas got more consideration after the war, when all US car manufacturers experimented with small, inexpensive cars, on the strength of surveys that asked “Does your neighbor want a smaller car?” some Big Shots concluded that neighbors might have wanted smaller cars, but the banks wanted bigger ones. And so, poor Vanyushka yet again remained without a proper corporate lineup… Poor fellow. Everything started with such a great anticipation:

But enough with these outward appearances. We have to find some place for some real art. So here is an classicistic example in traditional oil on canvas technique:

П. А. Кривоногов (P. A. Krivonogov): Победа / Victory,1945

Well, thats all for today. In the meantime, as always – all the best! :slight_smile:

#52

I’m no expert on US uniforms and equipment, but does that Yank first to left of the Soviet in the foreground look more like USMC in the Pacific than US Army in Europe?

#53

Honestly – I don’t know, my dear Mr. Rising Sun. Yes, to certain extant it surely looks like the USMC Herringbone Twill, but it has to be emphasized that the sheer volume of items made during the war regularly resulted in numerous variations in shades, not even to mention many variants of discoloration due to fading and soiling. When millions of items are produced, perfectly matching shades, even of the same color, are rare. With regard to Olive Drab 3, for example, it was mentioned in literature that originals have ranged from olive, to pea green, or mustard-brown to olive brown…

However, that possibility previously mentioned by you still is completely legitimate, my dear Mr. Rising Sun. :slight_smile:

And now, here we have one highly expressive painting which never betrayed the classicistic heritage. This painting, however, was made on the other side of the hill:

Franz Eichorn: Deutsche Soldaten im Schützengraben / German Soldiers in Trenches – 1944

This painting is, in a sense, the result of a wonderfully successful compromise between the official requirements of social portraiture and the personal, highly emotional vision of the artist, who – no matter how calculated the balance nor how skilful the interweaving of his movements – never lost sight of the fact that this is a story, above all, about human beings in a completely inhuman conditions.

In the meantime, honorable ladies and gentlemen, as usually – all the best! :wink:

#54

Love all those pictures, Librarian!

You don’t happen to be able to find any more in the infinite depths of your library?

Hvala!

#55

Mit tiefer Dankbarkeit, sehr geehrter Herr Schuultz! :smiley:

Of course, we do have a quantity of additional books connected with the WW 2 paintings in our repository. Here is another one, finished in slightly different, but still highly artistic gouache technique. It evokes an exotic world – in its difference and brooding shadows – that can be confused with no other. As directly stated by the artist, his aim in painting had been the most exact transmission possible of his most intimate impressions of the given occurrence.

The result of such realism has led many to preface it with the adjective minuciosity.

The Capture of Guam by Kohei Ezaku (fragment) – 1942.

And please – don’t worry: many supplementary paintings are already on my scanning list.

In the meantime, as always – all the best! :wink:

#56

Probably what is today loosely called “Bauhaus” the origins of which begin in 1926/27 which was when Lang produced “Metropolis”. Bauhaus as a term went on to become somehow identified as an architectural style, which is how it is known today, much as is the case with “Art Deco”.

Those are my thoughts on reading your query, RS old mate,

Kindest Regards, Uyraell.

#57

And finally, after a long time, honorable ladies and gentlemen, we are able to present some intriguing novelties connected with the main theme of this thread.

As you know, WW2 took soldiers to distant shores they would probably never have otherwise seen. Between June and September of 1941, approximately 600 Allied soldiers were able to escape the island of Crete, and one of those moments was captured by a prominent British painter who attended classes at the prestigious École des Beaux-Arts in Paris, and exhibited his paintings at Salon des Tuileries and Salon d’Automne long before the outbrake of the WW2.

Anthony Gross : Disembarking from the Garrett’s barge – 1941 (watercolor and ink wash on paper)

This sadly forgotten and highly talented British artist developed a novel and dramatically simple range of colors, a slashing brush technique, and a taste for independence and frankness in subject matter, always working in accordance with his own convictions, contriving a spontaneous enclosure of war framed by simple but incredibly convincing texture. That’s why his art is perhaps the first which can truly be called “of our time”.

Another highly intriguing, but to certain extant completely different piece of art, is arriving from a land Down Under. Although Australian painters usually found ample inspiration in the landscape and daily life of their rugged land, their natural spirit of camaraderie stood them in good artistic stead. In 1942, for example, renowned Australian poet Jack O’ Hagan wrote:

When a boy from Alabama
Meets a Girl from Gundagai
There’s a silver lining in the sky.

And that’s the perfect motto for this charming wartime painting:

Roy Hodgkinson : One Sunday Afternoon in Townsville – 1942 ( pencil and crayon with watercolors)

His obvious need to lay accent on those socially ample emotions in a clear, objective way, and his insistence upon artistic craftsmanship, added a true sentiment of his own, which concentrated on more intimate and tender themes of war. His splendid critical directness (US troops’ better pay and more attractive uniforms were all too eye-catching to some Australian girls during the second World War), as well as those boldly simplified color arrangements gave a fresh, but enduring flavor to wartime paintings.

Well, that’s all for today, honorable ladies and gentlemen. In the meantime, as always – all the best! :slight_smile:

#58

Your informational talents simply astound me, Sir Librarian ! :smiley:
Many Many Thanks for these fine and enlightening images :).

Kindest Regards, Uyraell.

#59

Oh, thank you very much, my dear Mr. Uyrael, but the reference books actually are representing the only secret of my success. You know, all books fall into two classes – those read for fun or for information and those consulted for a definite fact or piece of information. The latter are reference books, and finding a good set of reference books on the shelf may be like meeting an old friend. After all, haphazard use of reference books wastes more time during the average university career than anything else, unless we consider the Student Union… :slight_smile:

Alas, I don’t have all those already planned scans connected with numerous important wartime artists to show you yet, but I’m assuring you that pretty soon you will be able to observe a very special pair of genuine wartime paintings. :wink:

In the meantime, as always – all the best!

#60

One suggestion I would respectfully make, is an artist named Peter McIntyre.
He painted numerous scenes of NZ and other troops in action, depicting occasions such as the Fallschirmjaegers descending on Crete, the advance at El Alamein, and others.

Kindest regards, Uyraell.