If for pure awesome mustache factor, my favorite Soviet Generals are Budenny and Gorodovikov. I must try to find pictures of them.
Although for pure skills I like Chuikov and Rokossovsky. And whatever side you put him on, Vlasov was a good general too.
Right.
But then there is also this piculiar comment by the Fuhrer recordet by Mr.Goebbels in his diary on 9 may 1941:
The Fuhrer has great praise for the work the Czechs have been doing in the armaments field. Not a single case of sabotage to date. And what they produce is good, serviceable, and solid. The Czechs have proves themselves. They are hard working and reliable. A valuable acquisition for us. The quantities of the equipment that they brought to us were also very useful. And they are still producing them today. What can the USA do faced with our armaments capability?
Actually the Chehoslovakia helped Nazis a lot. Even the Me-262 has been produced there till the most end of war.
Um Goebbels was a propagandist and had little to do with the field of actual armaments. He was probably talking out of his arse’ as usual and quotes from his diary are to be taken with a hefty grain of salt…
Yes well, the Czechs also had entire villages wiped out after Czech commandos assassination Reinhard Heydrich, which brought down a good deal of repression and eroded whatever support the Germans had there.
I know it’s off topic, but I believe that is precisely why Reinhardt Heydrich was killed to start with. Czech and British intelligence had already surmised that the reaction to Heydrich’s assassination would be all out of proportion, and would probably cost tens of thousands of Czech lives…BUT
It would RUIN Czechoslovakia as a co-operative/productive territory of the Reich, since the Czech people themselves would bear the brunt of the reprisals…
AND I had to laugh at somebody above electing their favourite Soviet general on an “awesome mustache” platform! Very funny!
Favorite Soviet General…I don’t have one!..I think they were mostly tactical butchers, bigger slaughtermen than the Waffen SS!!! Their profligacy with human life leads me to believe my “fab fav” General would, at the time, have been the one that I was being commanded by!
Mention must be made of the similarity in looks between Timoshenko and protege Zukhov. And, King of Mustchios Buddeny is the only soviet General I can ever think of that was actually smiling in the photographs…a possible reason for this is offered here…
“As First Deputy Commissar for Defence in 1940, Budenny had visited the lately annexed province of Bessarabia, where a party was given in his honour at the distilleries of Kishinev. Toward the close of the festivities a canvas screen was ripped off the largest vat, which had been filled with Red wine to a depth of one and a half metres. Inside were a number of naked girls desporting themselves in the warm red liquid. Without further ado, Budenny and his aides threw off their clothes and joined the nymphs in the pool. The bacchanalia gathered momentum until another guest, disgruntled at being unable to climb into the vat, fired a long burst at it with a tommy gun; three of the occupants were injured, and the wine ran out of the holes and onto the floor of the distillery. The orgy then moved to more comfortable quarters at the back of the distillery.”
I wonder what Beatrice Patton, Mamie Eisenhower, or even Frau Rommel would have made of our Western Allied/German generals behaving in such a fashion!
Sure explains the smiles from The King of Russian Mustachas!
CHEVAN…My Russian Tovarisch
Not wishing to make to much of it…is this the same General Frost that Froze all those Russian soldiers at Suomussalmi,
Finland?
Where would you all have been but for the lesson in the Winter School of Warfare handed out to you by the expert Finns?
Russians suffer from the cold too…they are humans after all.
By the same token, we could point to film footage of Soviet prisoners in columns stretching from horizon to horizon and say our favourite German General was General TACTICS or General ORGANIZATION.
Just a couple of quotes from the favourite Finnish General of all time, General BLUSTER…
“So many Russians…where will we bury them all?”
“Our Neighbours…The Targets.”
“Our Soviet Friends…the Moving Zoo.”
and from an anonymous Finn tank hunter, utilizing the State Liquor Board’s “Mixed Drink” (“Molotov Cocktail”)…
“Every day was broiled Russian for sure!”
I think you are wrong about this quote. Maybe Goebbels did not write down Hitler’s words exactly as they sounded but the overal message of the Hitler’s opinion of on may 9th 1941 is articulated clearly enough.
I undestand Goebbels quote in such way that he is conveying Hitler’s words about the Czechs.
So “good, serviceable, and solid” is not Goebbels’ words, but Hitler’s. And that makes a big difference.
By the way, besides not knowing much about the armaments and being a propagandinst, Goebbles was also a Gauleiter of Berlin, which means he was rather closely involved in the city’s life including the practical aspects of it like anti-air defences and such. Do not underestimate him.
Zhukov is my favourite since he suffered most casualities 
Agreed. Perhaps this is the biggest reason that only recently the Czech-born SAS men are finally being recognized…
I believe in the ensuing battle, they engaged and killed a sizable number of SS pursuers after they were hold up in a Prague church. They wisely fought to the death.
But remember the Heydrich was already known as “The Butcher of Prague” was he not? Seldom has a man received poetic justice though (dying slowly of an infection from bits of his car seat padding lodged in his guts)…
Oh what a nice surprise lads:)
The Japane wearponry so…er from Australia.
Welcome on board comride…
BTW the good Torpedo-bomber Kate was very effective during the bombing of Perl-Harbor.
Not wishing to make to much of it…is this the same General Frost that Froze all those Russian soldiers at Suomussalmi,
Finland?
Oh so you are rusophobian.
Where would you all have been but for the lesson in the Winter School of Warfare handed out to you by the expert Finns?
Russians suffer from the cold too…they are humans after all.
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Never tell the russian are humans, they are not a ones:)
They are just a bunch of cruel subhuman, managed but ta brutal butchers:)
So you are mad rusophobian…Very well.
not a Russophobe…Chevan my friend!
A great admirer of RUSSIAN culture and humanistic achievement.
What concerns me the most is the Soviets. I know the common Russian was brave and resourceful, but SOVIETS take the credit for it…every time.
To my way of thinking, if RUSSIANS could rid themselves of this Sovietness, they would have the ability to intellectually show us a thing or two. But SOVIETS keep interfearing with that destiny.
World war two was a terrible way for us all to move into the future. It twisted Russian sense of fairplay, and brutalized the reputation they had established. I seek to pull down that Soviet image, merely because it’s such a false image for modern Russians to follow. Socialism was a great idea, but it was not a RUSSIAN idea. And, like all converts to a cause, Russians took it on with a passion and zealotry that really did move them backwards. I want to bust the Soviet myths wherever I can find them, in the name of restoring faith in ordinary Russians as HUMAN BEINGS WORTH THEIR SALT.
We lionize Soviet generals and politicians because these are the principle memories from records that have come down to us…and thats a crying shame, because it wasn’t the generals and politruk that won that fight…it was the ordinary Russian, Ukrainian, Georgian, Crimean etc…
and the names of most of them have been lost to history, mainly because so many, TOO MANY of them died for their Soviet overlords.
Bring back RUSSIAN history, without all the Sovietness of it all. The man in the street and field that the Soviet overlords professed to admire so much, and then threw them into the cauldron one after another in the name of defeating Fascism. It was as much to glorify their own Soviet cause as anything, and they wrecked far too many lives and families doing it, when their own diplomacy might have made it different in some small way, or even avoided the situation altogether.
Socialism was a great idea, but Sovietness twisted this very nobility of ideal in the very name of their own survival as a political entity. In getting rid of the Sovietness from Russians once and for all, we , the makers of the new history, must tell the truth of the matter, not look back to the Grreat Patriotic War as something that was a victory for SOVIETS…but, a victory for HUMANISM. In doing so, we must tell the truth, not whitewash the past in the name of political glorification.
It really bothers me that modern Russians see their Soviet past with Rose tinted glasses, as a past that was somehow better than a future thewy can and will make for themselves. Political Myth busting also means we must elevate the ordinary man, put him back in the limelight as the true victor of the Eastern front…the faceless RUSSIAN who died…those brave people that moved forward to certain destruction…
GIVE THE FACELESS RUSSIANS AN IDENTITY AGAIN…AN IDENTITY THAT IS WHOLLY RUSSIAN…
AND NOT A BIT SOVIET…NOT ONE LITTLE BIT!
is it not ironic that the “Workers and Peasants” who won the fight have been largely forgotten?
While history, even Russian history, pushes the names of their Soviet masters forward as heroes…they who sacrifced one in every five of the Workers and Peasants that they supposedly represented. Those bastards weren’t representing anyone but themselves, and fully prepared were they to throw away far too many ordinary men to secure their place in those same history books…
damn Stalin…damn Zukhov…damn rokossovsky, Voroshilov, Marenkov, Chuikov, and all the other generals who threw away the lives of so many ordinary people, all the while claiming to be “men of the people” themselves.
I want to hear about the faceless RUSSIANS that won their fight…not about the Moscow fatcats that waved their arms and pumped their fists crying “Once more unto the breach, dear comrades!”
It might have been for the Motherland, but it was for the SOVIET MOTHERLAND…ordinary Russians simply had to die, and keep dieing until it was over.
Give us the story Chevan…but leave out the brutal bigwigs. Always remember we fought Facism too…the Cold War was necessary to get rid of the Soviets…
and replace them with non-political RUSSIANS!
POBYEDA GOSPODIN RUSSKI!
Wow this is whole other matter…
Now i recongise the friendly australian style…
Becouse , i have to say honestly , you are the first person here who doesn’t liking as ausralian…
World war two was a terrible way for us all to move into the future. It twisted Russian sense of fairplay, and brutalized the reputation they had established. I seek to pull down that Soviet image, merely because it’s such a false image for modern Russians to follow. Socialism was a great idea, but it was not a RUSSIAN idea. And, like all converts to a cause, Russians took it on with a passion and zealotry that really did move them backwards. I want to bust the Soviet myths wherever I can find them, in the name of restoring faith in ordinary Russians as HUMAN BEINGS WORTH THEIR SALT.
Well so you think that hte Socialism wasn’t so bad idea in sense, right?
You just claim to be the wrong the Soviet way?
We lionize Soviet generals and politicians because these are the principle memories from records that have come down to us…and thats a crying shame, because it wasn’t the generals and politruk that won that fight…it was the ordinary Russian, Ukrainian, Georgian, Crimean etc…
Absolutly agree…
But i hope you will not deny that it wasn’t also the ONLY allied who ONLY fought for our common victory.
and the names of most of them have been lost to history, mainly because so many, TOO MANY of them died for their Soviet overlords.
Bring back RUSSIAN history, without all the Sovietness of it all. The man in the street and field that the Soviet overlords professed to admire so much, and then threw them into the cauldron one after another in the name of defeating Fascism. It was as much to glorify their own Soviet cause as anything, and they wrecked far too many lives and families doing it, when their own diplomacy might have made it different in some small way, or even avoided the situation altogether.
Well said.
But i hope you should agree that the best way judge the Stalin is via the “justify his bolshevick environment”.
You have to undertand that Stalin probably wasn’t the WORST of Bolshevicks
Socialism was a great idea, but Sovietness twisted this very nobility of ideal in the very name of their own survival as a political entity. In getting rid of the Sovietness from Russians once and for all, we , the makers of the new history, must tell the truth of the matter, not look back to the Grreat Patriotic War as something that was a victory for SOVIETS…but, a victory for HUMANISM. In doing so, we must tell the truth, not whitewash the past in the name of political glorification.
Good words agains.
Have you not wrote a own book about:)?
I want order it…
The problem is that we have been already rided out of Sovietness, my friend.In the mid 1990-yy.
But today the reality of life turned the Anti-Soviets biased propogand itno the otherwise way:)
Now we can compare the things…
And not always the Soviet life seems worsen than today…Believe me.
It really bothers me that modern Russians see their Soviet past with Rose tinted glasses, as a past that was somehow better than a future thewy can and will make for themselves. Political Myth busting also means we must elevate the ordinary man, put him back in the limelight as the true victor of the Eastern front…the faceless RUSSIAN who died…those brave people that moved forward to certain destruction…
The problem again- yu can’t pull out the peace of YOUR history ( even if it don’t like you).
And honaestly speacing , not EVERYTHING in USSR was so bad,as it tupically portrayed in the Western mass media ( especially during cold war).
And you HAVE to realize - not all of our people considered the USSR as the bad as you try to inspire.
You nothing can do woth it, just have to use…
Actually i/m not a “soviets” , i think that there were a lot of wrong things in USSR, the Soviet ideoligy for instance.
However i have to say that the free hight education, total guaranted medical servise is still very importaint pluses of that life.
As i said we can compare.
And whatever the "democrats’ speaks today about our past- this is just a simlisic propogandic approach , the true is much more complicated
i don’t like to be a democratic fanatic who look at the everything Reds as the Bull
I hope you’ve understood.
GIVE THE FACELESS RUSSIANS AN IDENTITY AGAIN…AN IDENTITY THAT IS WHOLLY RUSSIAN…
AND NOT A BIT SOVIET…NOT ONE LITTLE BIT!
oh MEditation…it’s great thing…
OK i will try…
GIVE THE FACELESS RUSSIANS AN IDENTITY AGAIN…
The Stalin was the butcher
, the russians were the good
, the soviets were the bad…
The Lenin was a Great intellectual…
DAMN…
WTF and how i can separate the rusians from the Soviets?
May be the truly russians were who foight on the Germany side like general Vlasov?
How do you think.
Rokossovskij what for?
Are you going to piss off our polish comrides?
And what is that the “ordinary” peoples- the horde of idiots who voluntary agreed to subordinate to Generals-butcher?
How do you this is there a logic?
I want to hear about the faceless RUSSIANS that won their fight…not about the Moscow fatcats that waved their arms and pumped their fists crying “Once more unto the breach, dear comrades!”
You want and you can hear about facelass russians who died…
There a lot of thread about those mans.
You might chack it please.
It might have been for the Motherland, but it was for the SOVIET MOTHERLAND…ordinary Russians simply had to die, and keep dieing until it was over.
Absolutly right.
This everything for Mothland…but can you separate the Soviet mothelend from Russian one?
Give us the story Chevan…but leave out the brutal bigwigs. Always remember we fought Facism too…the Cold War was necessary to get rid of the Soviets…
OK, i’ve told a stories in other threads.
and replace them with non-political RUSSIANS!
POBYEDA GOSPODIN RUSSKI!
It’s not honest, you knew russian…:)
And BTW mr JapaneBomber, why have you colored post so brightly?
Does you check am i a daltonic?
my absolute favorite Russian Gen. is Gen.Zhukov
Have to say, by what I have read, while various others are worthy, I favour Zhukov.
The man was greatly talented, and I respect his achievements.
Regards, Uyraell.
While I heard many favorable things about Zukhov, I wonder how many times the Russians managed to tactically defeat the enemy.
I might risk to sound ignorant, but my understanding was that in most battles, the Russians overwhelmed the Germans with numerical superiority in manpower, machines and munitions.
How much truth is to that?
If there is any to it, wouldn’t that pretty much mean that they had poor leadership that pretty much just ordered the soldiers to run into a meat grinder until they wore out the troops?
I’m sure there were cases of outflanking, outmaneuvering, etc. But how often did tactical superiority lead to a victory compared to simple numerical superiority?
Whenever I look at the numbers of battles, with most battles I see the Soviets suffering horrendous losses, often a good chunk more than the Axis, which I would rather blame on the Generals than the troops, as the troops themselves had pretty good equipment and tanks…