A collection of Paper proyects, “one of a kind” vehicles and others.
Panzerkampfwagen IX
Panzerkampfwagen X
Landkreuzer P-1500 “Monster”
This is a proyect af a self propelled 1500 tn 80 centimer howitzer very much like the Dora but mounted over 4 diesel electric traction tracks…crazy :shock:
Edited:
I have post updated info.
A heavy Henschel desing.:
Panzerkampfwagen VII “Löwe” , (lion) VK 7201
The development of super heavy tank started as early as 1941, when Krupp started the studies of superheavy Soviet tanks. In November of 1941, it was specified that the new heavy tank was to have 140mm front and 100mm thick side armor. The vehicle was to be operated by 5 men crew - 3 in the turret and 2 in the hull. This new panzer was to have maximum speed of some 44km/h being powered by 1000hp Daimler-Benz marine engine used in Schnellboot (torpedo boat). The main armament was to be mounted in the turret. The weight was to be up 90 tons. In the early months of 1942, Krupp was ordered to start the process of designing new heavy tank designated PzKpfw VII Löwe (VK7201). Its design was based on previous project by Krupp designated VK7001 (Tiger-Maus) and created in competition with Porsche’s designs (including first Maus designs).VK7001 was to be armed with either 150mm Kanone L/37 (or L/40) or 105mm KwK L/70 gun. Lowe was to utilize Tiger II’s components in order to simplify the production and service.
Designers planned to build two variants of this streamlined vehicle with rear mounted turret. Light (leichte) variant would have frontal armor protection of 100mm and it would weight 76 tons. Heavy (schwere) variant would have frontal armor protection of 120mm and it would weight 90 tons. Both variants would be armed with 105mm L/70 gun and coaxial machine gun.It is known that 90ton schwere Löwe was to have its turret mounted centrally and in overall design resembled future Tiger II.Variants of Löwe were both to be operated by the crew of five. It was calculated that their maximum speed would range from 23km/h (schwere) to 27km/h (leichte).
Adolf Hitler ordered that the design Leichte Löwe was to be dropped in favour of Schwere Löwe. Lion was to be redesigned in order to carry 150mm L/40 or 150mm L/37 ( probably 150mm KwK 44 L/38 ) gun and its frontal armor protection was to be changed to 140mm. In order to improve its performance, 900-1000mm wide tracks were to be used and top speed was to be increased to 30km/h.
In late 1942, this project was cancelled in favour of the development of the Maus. During the development of Tiger II, designers planned to build redesigned version of Löwe (as suggested by Oberst Fichtner), which would be armed with 88mm KwK L/71 gun and its frontal armor protection would be 140mm (as planned before). Redesigned Löwe would be able to travel at maximum speed of 35km/h and it would weight 90 tons. It was to be powered by Maybach HL 230 P 30, 12-cylinder engine producing 800hp. Löwe would be 7.74 meters long (with the gun), 3.83 meters wide and 3.08 meters high. Löwe would be operated by the crew of five. It was planned that Löwe would eventually replace Tiger II.
Also it would be fitted with the 128 mm L/60 gun.
From February to May of 1942, six different designs were considered, all based on the requirements for Löwe. On March 5/6th of 1942, order for heavier tank was placed and project Löwe was stopped in July of 1942. Löwe project never reached the prototype stage but it paved the way for its successor’s development - Porsche’s Maus.
Typ: Kampfpanzer
Gefechtsmasse: 90.000 Kg
Länge:7.74 m
Breite:3.84 m
Höhe:3.08 m
Motor: 1 Zwölfszylinder-Benzinmotor
Leistung: 700 PS ( Maybach HL) 1000 hp ( Daimler-Benz)
Fahrwerk: Kette; 9 Laufrollen - Stützrollen
Höchstgeschwindigkeit: 25-32 km/h Straße / Gelände: 15 km/h
Fahrbereich: 160 km Straße / Gelände 80 km/h
Bewaffnung: eine 12,5 cm Kanone L/60; ein Koaxial MG;
Munitionsvorrat: Kanone: 22 Schuss, MG 2700 Schuss
Panzerung: Front 240 mm, Seite 120 mm
Besatzung: 5 Mann
Are you trying to tell us that the Germans designed 2 tanks with similar ground clearance to those great off-road vehicles supplied by Ferrari?
No, that is only a pic to initiate the topic, those childish pictures were published in the propaganda magazine Signal only to deceive the allies.
Seems that it work with you 
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Are you trying to tell us that the Germans designed 2 tanks with similar ground clearance to those great off-road vehicles supplied by Ferrari?
Seen a couple but mostly very enlightening images. :shock:
It looks to me that the Germans looked at bigger is beter when it came to tanks. In tanks it is not always a good thing to build big tanks because it can bite you back in the behind.
I think speed and mobulaty and also power is your biggest problem.
Nice info keep it up.
Henk
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It looks to me that the Germans looked at bigger is beter when it came to tanks. In tanks it is not always a good thing to build big tanks because it can bite you back in the behind.
I think speed and mobulaty and also power is your biggest problem.
Very true in most cases.
The E-series:
The E-Series program was conceived by Dipl Ing Heinrich Ernst Kniekamp, Chief Engineer of Waffenpruefamt 6 in May of 1942. In April of 1943, Heereswaffenamt (Army Weapons Office) accepted his program and ordered many different manufacturers to start the planning and development of the Entwicklung (project/development) / Einheitsfahrgestell (general purpose chassis) Series. It was designed in order to replace armored vehicles and tanks that were used by the German Army from 1945 onwards. All six basic designs of E-Series would have standardized parts making their production, maintenance and service easier and cheaper
E-10 (10-25 tons) Height: 1.74 m
Designed by Klockner-Humboldt-Deutz Magirus AG in Ulm.
light multipurpose tank,
light test chassis,
replacement for PzKpfw 38(t) and conversions built on its chassis,
redesigned and enlarged chassis of 38(t) designated 38(d) (German),
armored personnel carrier,
light/medium Jagdpanzer,
light/medium waffentragers.
The E-10 jagdpanzer version armed with the 75mm L/48 Stuk 40.
MG-42 with shield in the top, I am not sure that it was remote controlled.
In October of 1943, prototype of PzKpfw III Ausf N als Schienen-Kettenfahrzeug was tested. Three Ausf Ns (mounted with railway suspension by Sauer Werke of Vienna) were converted to travel by rail at maximum speed of 100km/h. They were to be used to protect the rail network behind the frontlines in East. Only three prototypes were produced but further development of this project was cancelled.
The gun in this vehicle is a 75mm L24.
The heavier jagdpanzer E-25. Designed by Porsche.
The top small turret use a EW-141 20 mm gun…anti-aircraft maybe ?
Weight : 25 tons; Hull length: 5.66 m
Some influence from the Russian SU-series from this angle.
Nice, very nice indeed. It does look a bit too small for a crew to man it but who knows. I just wonder what happend to all the strange prototypes after the war.
Tanks these days does not have a role anymore and there are not any tank VS tank battles anymore.
Henk
The Entwicklung E-50
Proposed replacement for the Panther, it used about 60% same components as the Pz V and the Schmalturm of Panther Ausf F, with his increased side armour.
Also it had a improved transmition, one of the weakest item in the Panther and other minor changes in order to ease the production.
Weight: about 50-55 tons, Engine: 750 hp.
Even the muzzle brake was deleted in the KWK 75mm L/70 to save raw materials. Side armour 60-65 mm, front armour 100-110 mm.
Very good looking tank. Check the new 6 faced turret.
The turret is quite small but looks like a slim version of the Panther. Great pics. I wonderd if they also did something like this for the King Tiger with its problems?
Henk
Patiente boy, I just getting warmer.
Yes it was and replacement for the King Tiger that was the E-100 wich will replace the Maus also. Still I have to get more info, I will post it later.
Vollkettenaufklarer 38(t) “Katzchen”
In 1943, Auto-Union was ordered to design fully tracked reconnaissance vehicle and armored personal carrier (APC) for the needs of the Eastern Front. The vehicle was to carry 6 to 8 soldiers acting as a personnel carrier and was not to engage enemy vehicles. In early 1944, Auto-Union produced full scale mockup along with two prototypes. The fighting compartment was open at the top. The crew consisted of driver (on the left) and MG42 gunner (on the right). The fighting compartment layout was similar to the Sd.Kfz.251 personnel carrier. The vehicle was powered by 180-200hp Maybach HL 50Z engine. Armor protection ranged from 14.5mm (sides and rear) to 30mm (front). The chassis combined newly designed components (e.g. overlapping steel-rimmed wheels) along with those of PzKpfw IV (e.g. tracks). Both prototypes were tested at Berka in the Summer of 1944 and numerous mechanical problems were encountered. In September of 1944, Auto-Union was ordered to end work on the design and BMM was ordered to continue work by adaptating Jagdpanzer 38(t) Hetzer chassis. One of two Auto-Union prototypes designated as Gepanzerter.
Mannschaftransportwagen Katzchen (Kitten) was captured by the US Army in early 1945. Two prototypes based on PzKpfw 38(t) nA (neuer Art) were ordered. BMM’s design was similar to that of Auto-Union, but featured some modifications (e.g. two MGs instead of one, engine on the right instead of left, improved armor protection - 50mm front, etc). Two type of engines were considered and tested, 220hp Tatra 103 and 280hp Praga NR. The BMM’s design had better performance than the Auto-Union one e.g. maximum road speed of 64km/h and maximum cross-country speed of 40km/h with range of 600km. Production of BMM’s design designated as Vollkettenaufklarer 38(t) Katzchen (Kitten) was planned but never took place and two prototypes were probably destroyed late in the war.
Front and rear view of the “Kachzen” APC, despite the relative simplicity of this vehicle, only two protipes seems to be manufactured.
Lenght about 5 meters, weight 7 tons.
I doubt this Krupp monster ever got off the drawing board, but it was totally crazy…
http://www.panzer-archiv.de/content/galerie.php?f=219
39 metres long
14.2 metres wide
1000 tonnes
2x 280mm naval guns main armament with 42km range.
3.6m wide tracks
Yes it was the most crazy, nut, mad, loco proyect or wathever you want call it.
Land Cruisers P-1000, P-1500 “Ratte”
On June 23rd of 1942, Dir. Dip. Ing. Grote (along with Dr.Hacker) from the Ministry of Armament, who was responsible for the production of U-Boots suggested the development of a tank with a weight of 1000 tons. Adolf Hitler himself expressed interest in this project and allowed Krupp to go ahead with it. Project was designated as Krupp P 1000 (Ratte - Rat). This “land cruiser” would be 35 meters long, 14 meters wide and 11 meters high. P 1000 would be equipped with 3.6 meters wide tracks per side made of three 1.2 meters tracks, similar to those used in excavators working in coalmines. It was planned to power P 1000 with two MAN V12Z32/44 24 cylinder Diesel marine engines with total power of 17000hp (2 x 8500hp) or with eight Daimler-Benz MB501 20 cylinder Diesel marine engines with total power of 16000hp (8 x 2000hp). According to the calculations it would allow P 1000 to travel at maximum speed of 40km/h. P 1000 would be armed with a variety of weapons such as: two 280mm gun (naval gun used in Scharnhorst and Gneisenau warships), single 128mm gun, eight 20mm Flak 38 anti-aircraft guns and two 15mm Mauser MG 151/15 gun.
A size comparative between the Panzer V and the P-1000.
The potruding barrels in this last one was 8x37mm Flak guns.
How the hell will it move. It is one big target for a bomber but just think it is one small fort and if you hide it good and it would make great weapon.
Henk
Well, yes , that was intended to be, a fortress designed to fill the gaps in the Atlantic wall but with a relative mobility. But still crazy. :?