If anyone is a troll here it’s Rising Sun. His posts are the most vapid and desperately pretentious drivel I’ve ever seen. But I’ll entertain him anyway
I’m not.
The weight of knowledge by informed members presenting reasoned and well supported responses to your facile assertions, conspiracy theories, and reliance upon weak or nonsensical sources shows that you are ignorant of real evidence (i.e. accepted by rational people on the basis of considered evidence and notably primary sources and established facts), which does not support your assertion that they are ignorant.
As inflated as your language is, you offer very little in terms of information. I think that’s because you don’t posess much knowledge of what you’re speaking about. I’ve listed, in this very thread, some of the books I’ve read about Patton specifically, and even mentioned a retired Special Forces Colonel and WW2 Veteran who I’ve discussed the matter with. Hurl as many accusations as you would like but the simple truth of this matter is that I know what I’m talking about and you likely dont.
How about responding with facts to the fact that Donovan couldn’t have issued OSS orders for Patton’s murder when OSS had been disbanded a couple of months earlier, and the other points I suggested might convince me of the correctness of your argument in my posts #10 to #13? I’d really appreciate just once in my years on this forum having somebody making preposterous claims actually responding factually to my factual challenges to them instead of trying to divert the discussion with the sort iof rrelevant trolling / conspiracy theory /ad hominen rubbish you’ve presented in your last post.
OK, fine I’ll respond to the one relevant sentence out of all that drivel you posted. Re: Donovan. Do you not understand how shallow your thinking is here? First of all I do not contend that Donovan “gave the order” but it’s certainly possible and the little “gotcha” factoid you so desperately cling to (which I suspect is the single tidbit of knowledge you possess regarding this case) would do nothing nothing to poke holes in such a theory:
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I suppose you’ll call me a “crazy conspiracy theorist” when I tell you that elements of the SS were still operating in the Summer of 1945. “B-B-B-But they were officially disbanded on V-E Day.”
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So what if OSS was “officially” disbanded in October and the “accident” in december? A hit on a player such as Patton takes much planning.
Unlike you, the rest of us have read rather more than just one poorly researched and historically flimsy book on Patton.
Really? I think the opposite is closer to true. Why don’t you name some of the books you’ve read on Patton, like I have? I’ve read every single important book ever written on Patton, several of them still in my posession and I can quote directly from them.
I would bet my work truck you have never read any of the important books on General Patton, and I have doubts that you’re much of a book reader at all. You are already calling Target Patton “poorly researched and historically flimsy” without reading or even skimming it, which displays a smugness and a lack of curiosity that, coupled with your extreme long winded pretentiousness, would seem to indicate that you are nothing but a poseur who doesn’t like reading books at all.
If you had ever read Patton: Genius for war, or Patton: Ordeal and Triumph, The Last Days of Patton, or any of the other “respectable” books on Patton you would know of the many strange brushes with death Patton had in the months preceding his death, such as:
His plane coming under attack by a British spitfire while he flew over Soviet controlled airspace - MONTHS AFTER V-E DAY, when plane misidentification couldn’t explain it. Nobody was supposed to be attacking anyone. Patton’s pilot was combat experienced and did some deft maneuvering, and the Spitfire crashed. This would point towards a very inexperienced pilot in the Spitfire, perhaps an NKVD assassin with a grave waiting for him if he had been successful. No way should Patton’s plane (a piper cub IIRC) had been able to escape that.
Also: while traveling down street, some weeks before his “accident”, Patton’s open jeep collided with an oxcart which suddenly appeared from a side street, and had some farm equipment (like a scythe) protruding from the front of it, which missed Patton’s head by inches and would surely have killed him.
You would also know that Patton was calling for war with the Soviet Union. He wanted it badly, and he was trying to make it happen.
You really think it’s “absurd” that people wthin the united states government, having just finished with the most bloody foreign war they had even been involved with, wouldn’t have been desperate to stop such a man?
if you read Patton: a Genius for War, or The Last Days of Patton, you would know that General Marshall and Eisenhower both thought that Patton had “lost his marbles” and was completely mad. They even sent a psychologist disguised as a supply clerk to try and surreptitiously observe Patton, to have him declared insane. It’s “absurd” to believe that someone MIGHT have have sanctioned the elimination of a MADMAN WHO WAS TRYING TO START WORLD WAR III? Really? That’s absurd? Really.
That is to say nothing of Stalin, who we now know was bugging Patton’s phone: while Patton said he could mop up the whole Russian Army in 2 months, wanted to do it, wanted to use the SS units he was holding as prisoners to help do it, and said that he could “make it look like their fault.” You are all saying that it’s absurd and trolling, to say that STALIN would plot to have someone killed?
All of this stuff^, while covered in target Patton, is also covered in all those “reputable” books which none of you has read either.
Rising Sun, I would advise you to try your hardest to get me banned, because I am not a poseur and I think think that you are. If I do not get banned then after a while, at the very least, you will come to find out that I do not exaggerate my knowledge or grasp of subjects. Perhaps I will even find that there are subjects you have respectable knowledge of (Patton isn’t one of them, and you know it). I would love to continue this debate in an honest way, but let us observe this:
In every single post between you, nickdfresh and that other goober here, all you have done is personally attack me, hurl accusations, and call for me to be banned. Out of who-knows-how-many sentences, only one of them contained a single relevant point: RS with regards to OSS being disbanded prior to Patton’s death.
Which was a fine and perfectly valid point, by the way. All I ask is that you keep an open mind, and let us try to confine our discussions to the evidence, rather than 100% attack mode. Skepticism is perfectly appropriate, but none of you are being skeptical, you’re being credulous. Skeptical means that you examine closely, credulous means acceptance without examination. You’re all credulously dismissing the possibility of a murder plot, which is something that almost no Patton historian does
