Falklands/Malvinas slagging match

It was not my intention to insult the good one of Panzon sorry if he felt in that way the phrase “shame on you”. Disculpame che.

Furthermore, I note that this is the second time in this thread recently that you have insulted other members. Such behaviour is NOT acceptable on this website without good evidence (which you have singularly failed to provide), and certainly not in the Falklands/Malvinas sub-forum, which due to the behaviour of certain members we have found it necessary to moderate very tightly indeed

I agree with that, they are not acceptable, but I have no intentions to modify or edit any of my posting, neither my stile of writing.
Feel free to take the actions you think are needed.

Being honest one of the reasons why I don’t tend to hang around here is Panzerknacker’s attitude. I did used to enjoy talking with Panzon and others, still chat with him occasionally via email. But Panzerknacker does have an attitude problem.

My attitude problem in this particular subforum is :

I am here to talk the awful truth, not to make friends.

HI Enrique,
I am sorry to disagree with what you say, the matter is in between states… and the islanders, not a crowd big enough for any basketball field in any Argentine school can not be the judges of this, however, we took that right for granted, as the islander would be free to go, stay with their propperty and prosper and keep double nationality and if they wanna drive on the left, lets do it so… the islanders would be benefited, and should they express the wish of becoming Argentines. even more. In fact, they ARE Argentines… Argentina considers the Malvinas/Falkland an occupied territory and since they were born in “Argentie soil”, they are automaticaly Argentines, should they wish anything from us.
The claim will never cease, peacefully but relentlessly, and perhaps one day Argentina will develop their true potential and become interesting for the isladers whose rights and properties would be anyway respecte. Joint sovereignty seems a good idea to me and exploitation of the undersea, I know the President K strick down that deal last year or so.

Cheers,

Panzer, I already said very cearly that I´ve been never insulted by you, I did understood the idiom quitewlell and so in know it was not an insult, perhaps a touch of ironi, but in no way an insult.

Habemus pace?

Its Great to Disagree , specialy with a Gentleman like you , I’m very sorry for what you are going through ( Family Issues ) -

Un Gran Abrazo Enrique

Panzon,

I happen to think you’re wrong and that Argentina does not have a strong case for its claim over the Falklands and never really did. Lets be honest here, the British Government offered to take the case to the ICJ on three separate occasions and on each occasion it was Argentina that refused. If Argentina had confidence in its case it would present it to independent arbitration but it didn’t. And I believe that is simply because it knew it would lose.

Peron once said to Bill Hunter-Christie that he didn’t really believe in the Argentine claim to the Falklands but that it was a useful rallying cry for the people to unite behind. And lets be honest once more, more than one Argentine politician has blown the Falklands trumpet to distract attention from domestic issues. It is no co-incidence that Christina Kirschner raised this issue when she had domestic problems in the agricultural sector.

And to quote an Argentine perspective, Carlos Escude said on the subject:

“After studying the history of the Argentine claims on the islands, I would say they were absolutely without foundation - it’s more of a habit than anything else.”

Happy to debate this with you any time but as you know, unlike most Brits I am very familiar with the history of the Falklands Islands. I also have my own theories on the origin of the dispute.

A great deal of the problem of the Falklands is that you have taught yourselves a somewhat distorted version of history for so long that you’ve come to believe it. To quote Escude again:

“I spent many years studying the nationalistic content of educational textbooks and the doctrines which generated those texts. And it’s very clear from those texts how we got the idea of the sovereignty of Argentina over the Falklands. The notion that right was on our side was absolutely irrefutable and nobody could reasonably doubt it.”

And Panzon, the fact that even someone quite sensible like yourself can’t see that the Falkland Islander’s have a say in their future speaks volumes about attitudes in Argentina. Argentina’s confrontational attitude towards the islanders is more than responsible for their reciprocal attitude towards Argentina.

And to make it plain, I’m happy to debate the subject with anyone who will talk reasonably on the matter. I will simply ignore anyone else.

Enrique Campeón!!! It is about time you start showing us, in the appropiate forum some of your war memories, such as pictures, etc!!!

Juan.

Panzon how nice to be here , allow me to express that it is nice to chat with friends that I have not yet met -

Hey Lone Ranger,

One day will discuss the matter, I am under the impression that it would be quite interesting as you seem well versed about such an interesting issue. We can compare veriosn and see if the disagreements are really unsolvable as is generaly thought.

However, I think I should prepare better as it seems the contender, say yourself, is a witty, informed and articulate person, and If I loose, at least I want to die fighting! Althoug if you manage to convince me, I will concede with honesty.

Im not hiding, it is just that I am temporarily out of shape :slight_smile:

Juan.

Oh I wouldn’t say they were insoluble, its just that you might find some of the things taught by Argentine schools lets say somewhat challenged. Happy to converse by email if you prefer.

Cheers Juan.

I agree with pretty much all your comments. The latin clubs by the way I found alone one night. Incidentally, I was walking along the street when the most drunk man in the world tried to mug me. I fought him off with a nifty side step - that was enough to beat him :slight_smile:

On a more serious note, it was sad too see the people tearing the bing bags (black garbage bags) apart in order to make a living .

As for Santiago; he’s a great guy but I wouldn’t trust him with my woman or my islands :slight_smile: You take care amigo.

2 post deleted, somebody definately have no humour :rolleyes:.

3 actually. It was that or give you infraction points for shit-stirring. If you want to make jokes about this sort of thing, make them in Off-Topic. They would be entirely within the acceptable bounds there - but not in this forum.

While I love to see the moderators actually moving their hands ( not quite usual in this forum) I must say there has been “shit stirring” in this subforum since the 19th march 2007 when I created the first topic. And most of them dont coming from me.

But wathever man, you have the buttons. That is my punishment for trying to participate in a subforum wich has evolved into completely biased fest against argentines.

Hi Zulu,

As I told you, the “bailantas” are not really recomendable for British gentlemen loose on B:Daires …

The fact that you mention the trash bag tearing indicates you visited just passed the rock bottom of the depresion and economic collapse. I understand that if not much better, the situation is much better now, I sincerely hope there is not more bag tearing… it broke my hearth when this happened during the economic/politic/institutional collapse of en 2001… it was practically a post war scenario sparked by one after one intenational economic “fals”, such as Russia, mexico, the Asian tigers, Turkey, etc… that crisis distroyed the economies of the developing coutries… I think there were more than 7 years of constant depression and Argentina does not enjoy the membership to for example the EU and thus access to their markets except in a limited way.

In any case, I do like the fact you survived your bailanta episode:) unharmed, perhaps you dodged that drunkard with one of your “latino” feet “combination”:smiley: steps and a hip roll.:smiley:

Cheers,

Juan.

In any case and since it seems a problematic thread, once we accepted that it was a gentlemen war with some exceptional regrettable actions on both sides, that those very few occurences were clogged by the “fog of war” ( I liked that term), perhaps ther is no point on keeping talking about “war crimes”…

If there were any, they were due to inexperience on both sides and a war fought under extremely difficcult conditions and not planned at all by both sides which left room for a lot of rookie´s errors on both sides.

If both “sides” agree, then we move into the air war or the naval one or the grunts war which walked like Julius Caesar troops would do, by foot to the battle front. There was the time and the place were in spite of the value of the troops, the lack of preparation or training or logistics ensured the British victory.

cheers,

Juan.

Hi Zulu,

As I told you, the “bailantas” are not really recomendable for British gentlemen loose on B:Daires …

Well, If he is looking for “crimes” and “troubles” definately he will going to found them in that kind of places.

Oh I don’t know, she was a lovely girl and surrendered quite easily. Not that this was too much of a surprise, after all; she was Argentine! :slight_smile: She went like the toilet door when dysentery is in town.

After a course of penicillin I’ve forgotten her.

This is a bit off-topic but I can recall that in another forum someone argued that the only war in which the British displayed brutality comparable to that of Japanese in WWII was the Boer war. I was wondering if people feel this is correct and if war crimes in that conflcit were well documented.

Ummm… The British committed a lot of war crimes (who do you think invented the Concentration Camp?) but “brutality” is the wrong word for it. The civilian casualties were the result of incompetence, not malice.

The Germans had concentration camps in Namibia, by the way, which if I remember correctly predates the Boer War.

They also had mass executions of civilians there, so I guess it’s just a national tradition :wink: