Seems definately crazy to me…but what I know ?. :rolleyes:
I think sometimes Chevan’s intent gets lost in translation, if so, this may help. Unless a government was a direct, and immenent nuclear threat to England, or The U.S. there would be no permission to use a device against any country in the Americas. (even Hugo Chavez) Napalm against ships would be more a terror weapon than anything,(unless it was all one had to defend themselves with) so it wouldnt be on our list of things to do, when we had anti ship missiles, and smart bombs to do the job. I’m not English, but I believe they would act about the same, even in the heat of the moment. (Thats my 2 kopecs worth,
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Only to be used on leftists…
Napalm was actually used, rather attempted to be used, by the Argentine Air Force at Goose Green. It was dropped too far away to be effective, luckily.
Funny how PK seems so keen for the Argentines to use such an inhumane weapon, what was that about war crimes?
Only to be used on leftists…
Sadly not even against those. The guerrilla was mostly urban.
Napalm was actually used, rather attempted to be used, by the Argentine Air Force at Goose Green. It was dropped too far away to be effective, luckily.
Funny how PK seems so keen for the Argentines to use such an inhumane weapon, what was that about war crimes?
I suppose that all involves the context in wich you use the weapon, not the weapon itself, the british crying about the extremely limited use ( If was used at all) of napalm by the AAF in Malvinas sound s as stupid to me like the Argentines crying about the use of the Beluga BL 755 cluster bomb by the britons.
Even Robacio the commander of the B.I.M 5 was agaist its use…crazy. You simply cant win a war in that way :rolleyes:
For my part I say…toasted it !!
Its a documented fact that it was used at Goose Green, a fact that has been acknowledged by Argentina - though it should be pointed out that the Goose Green commander had disobeyed orders in preparing and using it.
I would like to say, from my position of a newcomer in this forum, very respectufully and knowing that perhaps this will nor gain me much friends…
Could we keep on exchanging pics about the Malvinas/Falkland conflict? Praise the enormous demonstrations of valour on BOTH sides with respect, exchange little things that are starting to appear 25 years later? In an environment of mutual respect?
Can we forgive and try to understand? can we try to be friends? put the conflict in its time frame and learn why England and Argentina should NEVER have gone to war at the end of the 20th century?
I sincerily do not understand… I go to England several times a year… the minute they hear I am an Argie at ANY pub… they never let me pay a drink and we chat a lot about the battle…
I´ve even been a guest in a RAF / RN base… I heard nothing more than respect from those people… proffessional soldiers, pilots… trainees in the 9th squadron… at the BAE Systems hawk simmulator building… where I got bored of flying the Hawk simm… I found nothing but respect from the English so far when discussing the conflict…
It was a gentlemen war…
Let us start respecting each other… why we should be fighting over the lack of vision that our respective leaders had at that time? unable to prevent a war… among two good countries that have been always friends?
What has to do the guerrilla in the 70´s with the conflict? Who was worst? “Butcher Harris” or Galtieri… I sincerily would not start mixing things this way…
Let us leave the battles for the futbol or now rugby teams and let us pay homage to the heroes on both sides… they deserve it… from the 17 years old kid scared to death but never left his battle station inside the guts of a Frigate without even a pistol to defend himself to the pilots that gave their lives on both sides?
We could learn a lot from each other and since we are “the next generation” it is our responsability to act according to humane thinking…
Let us forgive each other… let us exchange greetings and get closer, let the British understand why the Argentines think that the Islands are Argentine and let us understand why they came to recover them…
It is a pitty we can not do it over a beer… this is the way to talk things…
PICTURES!!!
Juan.
I don’t know about that, I’m kinda getting to like you.
Amen to that.
Totally agree.
But I’ll tell you one thing that does worry me for the future. It seems like an awful lot of your countrymen seem to think that they only lost the war because the British cheated and that the British did not behave with honour. PK’s “war crime” thread has raised an awful lot of hackles round here.
I’ll tell you why that worries me for the future, because its in many ways the same attitude that a lot of Germans extremists cultivated after WW1 (that the German army didn’t really lose the war). It also worries me that the Argentine Government continues to try and exert pressure on the Islands through many petty little measures, such as denying flights, interfering with the fishing rights, all the political grand standing at Mercosur, OAS etc and acting to stop the Islands participating in the South American games. Because all these petty actions don’t build bridges and just acts to further alienate the islanders. Because its only by building bridges that any sort of rapprochement will ever be achieved between the islands and Argentina.
And while the current feelings on animosity linger, and there is a belief that Argentina didn’t really lose the war last time, some idiot is going to be tempted to try again.
Could we keep on exchanging pics about the Malvinas/Falkland conflict? Praise the enormous demonstrations of valour on BOTH sides with respect, exchange little things that are starting to appear 25 years later? In an environment of mutual respect?
The topic is for pictures and the discussion of the pictures posted. And that include the discussion of the use of napalm.
Me parece que todavia no entraste en la dinamica del topic. :roll:
I sincerily do not understand… I go to England several times a year… the minute they hear I am an Argie at ANY pub… they never let me pay a drink and we chat a lot about the battle…
I hope that the argie word is not after the f… :rolleyes:
PK’s “war crime” thread has raised an awful lot of hackles round here.
Is the awful truth.
Lone ranger…
Totally agree.
But I’ll tell you one thing that does worry me for the future. It seems like an awful lot of your countrymen seem to think that they only lost the war because the British cheated and that the British did not behave with honour. PK’s “war crime” thread has raised an awful lot of hackles round here.
I’ll tell you why that worries me for the future, because its in many ways the same attitude that a lot of Germans extremists cultivated after WW1 (that the German army didn’t really lose the war). It also worries me that the Argentine Government continues to try and exert pressure on the Islands through many petty little measures, such as denying flights, interfering with the fishing rights, all the political grand standing at Mercosur, OAS etc and acting to stop the Islands participating in the South American games. Because all these petty actions don’t build bridges and just acts to further alienate the islanders. Because its only by building bridges that any sort of rapprochement will ever be achieved between the islands and Argentina.
And while the current feelings on animosity linger, and there is a belief that Argentina didn’t really lose the war last time, some idiot is going to be tempted to try again.
You are just listening to part of the story, the posibilities of my country developing a Hitler like are to be discarded… I am sure there is some poople that thinks like that, but it is not so in reality a significant ammount…
I do not want nor I will discuss the sovereignity subject over here, I do not think this is the appropiate place. I just want to remember the heroism, the acts of bravery and gallantry… the flame wars are for different characters than me.
Cheers,
Juan.
PK,
I hope that the argie word is not after the f…
Not at all my friend, I think you do not enough Britons… they respect us a lot… and they are very friendly…
Buy a ticket and go to England and you will see for yourself.
Cheers,
Not at all my friend, I think you do not enough Britons… they respect us a lot… and they are very friendly…
Nice, it means that some british members here need to learn manners from his countrymans
Buy a ticket and go to England and you will see for yourself.
Hmmm, I prefer not, I like more Italy.
By the way:
Praise the enormous demonstrations of valour on BOTH sides with respect
I cant
why ? I did not believe that every soldier in Malvinas displayed a “enormous demonstration of courage” that is simply not true.
PK,
Hmmm, I prefer not, I like more Italy.
Take my word, go to England… and try to bury fanatism well deep… you will be able to walk around Trafalgar Square with an Argentine flag as a cape and a nice light blue and white colour and will not get nothing more than friendly smiles… and you will not pay a single drink…
Italy is also something not to miss, try to combine the two trips on one…
BTW Can I ask respectfully which “age bracket” are you in?
Juan.
The people here like so much that made a topic about me. In there you ll find personal info.
http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5245
and try to bury fanatism well deep…
Fanatism…? I am not a fanatic and I am not confortable with you using that word in regard of me, please dont.
Fanatism…? I am not a fanatic and I am not confortable with you using that word in regard of me, please dont.
You are right PK, I respectuflly withdraw my previous comment, I hope you understand… that word is not what expresses what I wanted to say.
My most sincere apologies.
Juan.
Grettings, again, I have been away… AGAIN>
Time for a tidy up.
My bold, I do beleive that I pointed out that I was not talking about site members. Actually I was thinking about Erwin, and what I have read in the general press. Not you, so you need not post such things. I tell the truth, I do not lie to make my point of view more grandiose.
Read my posts. You will find at least one that points out that although the Gurkha Riflemen never joined battle it is conceivable that the Battalions Fire Support Company (Milan, Mortar and GPMG SF) did indeed inflict injuries or death on the Argentine forces. As they were used to support a Scots Guards attack.
As Panzon states, you will probably be very surprised by the Britishs opinion of the Argentines. As a nation we tend to respect our equals, although to be fair YOU may not realise it is respect. If you were in a British pub, you would not be harmed or barrated for your nationality, even a military pub. Your views on the other hand I could not garuntee your safety. Not neccesarily such that the islands are yours, or how the forces fought, but you would find that many would find your views on the use of Napalm and on the men who fought distastful.
Remember, they have been there, you will never be. Those you have been there tend to stick together.
I speak from experience. I have been a guest in to a Argentine bar on Ops and they have been our guests, with no problems what so ever. Other than good natured alterations of both countries maps (which define Falkland Islands Br. or Malvinas Ar. or similar).
You let yourself down. I would suggest you take yourself to a battlefield or a site of a recent burning, and smell the air. You will find once you have smelt burnt flesh and heard the wounded howl, and you have seen the more seriously injured you would never wish such on anyone. Could you imagine the skin of a living being, animal or human, black and crispy? and brittle enough to crack and blood to come out or to come completely away at the touch?
Infraction points?
[quote="“Panzerknacker at 08:24 hrs on 14 Sep 07"”]
Argentina did not sign those, so…let them burn.
Actually the use of Napalm was seriously limited buy the Argentine High command for “humanitarian reasons”, what a bunch of sissies. [/quote]
Because you have been fortunate enough to have had no experience of war.
Pánzon, a warmhearted, albeit belated, welcome to the site.
I’ve read through your posts and you come across as someone who is willing and able to debate points without getting het up or inflamed by rhetoric, hysteria or fantasy. Thank you.
My bold, I do beleive that I pointed out that I was not talking about site members
Before Panzon arrival there was only two Argentine member and only one active…:roll:
As Panzon states, you will probably be very surprised by the Britishs opinion of the Argentines. As a nation we tend to respect our equals, although to be fair YOU may not realise it is respect. If you were in a British pub, you would not be harmed or barrated for your nationality, even a military pub. Your views on the other hand I could not garuntee your safety. Not neccesarily such that the islands are yours, or how the forces fought, but you would find that many would find your views on the use of Napalm and on the men who fought distastful.
If its so (I have my serious doudts) That fact havent see reflected in the internet forums , and I mean all forums not just this.
Actually I know several british people, but not for traveling to UK , but for stay in Cordoba, there is a lot of Hunters of this nationality wich I ve enjoyed long conversations, however that does not change a bit of my opinions about the war and the opinions of “some” britons here.
You let yourself down. I would suggest you take yourself to a battlefield or a site of a recent burning, and smell the air. You will find once you have smelt burnt flesh and heard the wounded howl, and you have seen the more seriously injured you would never wish such on anyone. Could you imagine the skin of a living being, animal or human, black and crispy
I am sure that the dead when the boilers explode inside The Belgrano or the ones killed in the destroyed british ships were left “black and crispy” that means we shoulnt use aircraft bombs, torpedos or Exocets ?
It sure dont. :rolleyes:
