Wandering off topic occaisionally is good, you may think it is “off topic” but it may bring something new to the debate.
No debate ever travels strictly down one set of lines, the occaisional excursion is good. As long as the thread doesn’t fully head off in that direction.
All British nukes were removed from smaller warships and placed in the magazines on Invincible and Hermes. The nukes were cross-decked at Ascension Island.
All British nukes were removed from smaller warships and placed in the magazines on Invincible and Hermes. The nukes were cross-decked at Ascension Island.
Thanks for the aditional info.
Interesting Video about the young people living now in the islands,is the first above in this page.
Now that really was funny ! :lol:
I was almost in tears.
Where do you find these ?
Did you read the text accompanying the videos.
Apparently the youth of the Falklands islands live in a bubble created by the local press, manpulated to think that Argentina is the enemy and that they can only by saved by the British military. This is so that the evil British Government can dominate the South Atlantic for their own nefarious ends. Oh and apparently the British military on the islands are all homosexual. And by the way the Argentine Government has only benign intentions toward the islanders…apart from the threats to any company that deals with the islands, the banning of flights over Argentine territory, tearing up of joint agreements, refusal to recognise their right to self-determination and any other means of exerting political or economic pressure.
In the age of the Internet and satellite TV how can the Islands live in a bubble anymore? The text is more funny that the videos.
@Panzerknacker, do people in Argentina seriously believe this nonesense?
Yes I did read the text, I thought that was hilarious too.
The background music in the video clip was interesting, “God Save the Queen” by the Sex Pistols and later the theme from the Benny Hill Show. Unless it was also part of their wind-up, I thought it was a shame that the lads got the origin of ‘Benny’ wrong - still it’s been a long time since Crossroads was on.
On the whole I thought they succeeded 100% in getting a bite, the poor lass seemed to have taken it hook, line and sinker ! Must have made for some interesting chats back in the BA wine bars.
The voiceover at the end was telling - Mount Prison Airport.
Oh yeah - and the map ! 
Apparently the youth of the Falklands islands live in a bubble created by the local press, manpulated to think that Argentina is the enemy and that they can only by saved by the British military. This is so that the evil British Government can dominate the South Atlantic for their own nefarious ends.
LR your translation is wrong , in no part of that page said that the British are evil.
Videos exclusivos… entrevista a los jóvenes malvinenses. ¿Qué piensan de los argentinos, de los militares ingleses homosexuales que habitan en las islas…? ¿cuánto le han dicho o enseñado a cerca de la guerra?
Según una entrevista realizada a los jóvenes malvinenses, en la escuela no le enseñan nada a cerca de la guerra de Malvinas, y todo lo que saben es gracias a sus padres, y que la mayoría de ellos desconfía de los argentinos, ya que toda la información que les llega a cerca de nuestro país, es tergiversada por la prensa de las islas.
En el segundo video, una entrevista al dueño de un bar nocturno de las islas, cuenta que una vez a la semana se realiza la “noche latina” y allí se pasa “cumbia villera”. Los isleños creen que es chilena y la bailan continuamente, desconocen que es argentina.
Exclusive videos…interview to the Malvinensis youth, what they think about the argentines, of the homosexual british military whom lives in the islands? . How much had been told or teach to them about the war ?
According to the interview with the kids in the school nothing is learned about the war and everything they know is for his parents mouth, and the majority of them did not trust the Argentines since the information about our country who reach the islands is twisted by the local media.
In the second video, a interview to the owner of a night bar of the islands, he tells that once a week the “latin night” is made and the “gansta cumbia” is played. The islanders believe that is chilean and they dance with it all the time, they didnt know that is from argentina.
Como vemos, la juventud malvinense vive en una verdadera burbuja, aislada del mundo real, manipulada por la prensa local que tiene por único objetivo hacerle creer a la población, que Argentina es un país sanguinario y malvado, cuya única salvación es la presencia de militares británicos.
As we see, the Malvinas youth live in a real bubble, aislated from the real world, manipulated by the local press with the only target to make believe that Argentina is a Evil and bloodthirsty country and their only salvation is the presence of the british military.
Nada le enseñan acerca de la guerra, ni de la historia de las islas. Nada dicen sobre las verdaderas intenciones argentinas ni del modo de vida de sus habitantes. Si se lograran romper las barreras de la desinformación, ambos pueblos podrían llevarse mejor, y sabrían, que desde este lado del continente, los argentinos respetamos su forma de vida, y no se verían perjudicados ante un eventual cambio de soberanía
Nothing is teached to them about the war and the islands history. Nothing is said about the truly Argentine intentions or the living way of his inhabitants. If the barriers of disinformation could be erased both peoples could get alone and they knew that in this side of the continent the Argentines respect their way of living and nothing will be interrupted in a eventual change in sovereign.
My note:
The concepts like “homosexual” applied to the british military belong to the authors of that ultra right wing/nationalist page… so make your reclamations to them.
Actually my tongue in cheek comment about the evil British Government was referring to this little doozy:
Justamente, la presencia de los soldados ingleses, es la única excusa por la cual Gran Bretaña puede seguir dominando el archipiélago, sabe muy bien que los isleños no son capaces de tener una fuerza propia capaz de defenderse ante un ataque externo.
Which I translated as:
The continued presence of the English army, is the only excuse that Great Britain can use to continue dominating the archipelago, it knows that the islanders cannot have their own forces able to defend them against an external attack.
My Spanish is crap but I think I get the gist of it. My comment contained just a little hyperbole, which I guess doesn’t translate too well.
So back to my question, do people seriously believe this?
The notion that the Islanders are living in a bubble is nonesense, they have satellite TV, the Internet and free education overseas for A-levels. They can get information from many different sources, and the information they get from the web is unlikely to endear themselves to the Argentinians. For example when one of the Islanders posted a video of a commemoration of the Argentine invasion on YouTube, it was quickly filled with Argentinians posting comments about English Pirates, general abuse and threats to take the Islands back by force. Then they see stuff like this, what do you think is the impression that it will leave?
Ask yourself this, if a Falkland Islander were to frequent this forum and read some of the threads about who owns the islands, what impression would they take away?
The invading Argentine forces were not exactly nice to the current Benny youth’s parents, and certainly did not respect their “way of living” (i.e. speaking English and driving on the left), so it’s hardly surprising that they view Argentina with suspicion. Plus what Lone Ranger said.
I hate to ask questions in here coz everytime I do it seems like it start a shitstrom. BTW it was me that posted the first thread on the Falklands :roll:
Anyhoo…did any of the Islanders request assistance from Argentina or the UK? Might be getting off topic here so feel free to start a new thread on this!
It might well be the subject for another thread, but I believe it would be one of the shortest on site.
For example, if I split the qustion:
Q.
Did any of the Islanders request assistance from:
a) Argentina.
b) The UK.
A.
a) No.
b) Yes.
To Lone Ranger:
People being agressive in Youtube ?..hu…hardly a new. If the “Falklanders” are smart enough they will realize that 4 or 5 sixteen years old morons with broadband and poor english language skills did not represent Argentina.
If you think that the Argentine claim is nonsence… fine I respect your opinion even I dint share it, that does not mean I need to became a prick with you and viceversa. This is a perspective that some members still didnt fully understand
If something I learned in this last months is to do not discuss opinions because is helpless.
Ask yourself this, if a Falkland Islander were to frequent this forum and read some of the threads about who owns the islands, what impression would they take away?
I never, ever put in doubt the ownership of the islands. That would be very silly. Is pretty clear to me that in that actual circunstances the islands belong to the Kelpers.
Ask yourself this, if a Falkland Islander were to frequent this forum and read some of the threads about who owns the islands, what impression would they take away?
I dont know, but I can assure you that if those people meet me in person probably we will end drinking some beers togheter.
Actually I never posted any question about who owns the islands, the question I asked was related to the site you posted. That claimed that part of the reason the Islanders were so hostile to Argentina was they were living in a bubble unaware of the benign intentions of the Argentinians (that was more hyperbole BTW just in case theres any confusion).
And I think you’re being just a little disingenuous in your reply, so in return I’ll elaborate. If you look on Argentine websites related to the Falklands, they’re usually (and I realise I’m generalising) completely dismissive that the Islanders have any rights. Read some of Eagle’s posts here about why the Islanders should simply be ignored.
Now take some of those writings and replace Falkland Islands with Argentina and ask yourself how you would feel?
Because its only by recognising that the aggressive stance your country takes on the issue is the factor in determining how the Islanders view Argentina that you might be able to reach some kind of detente with them. However, it seems that you as a nation just can’t accept that and to be honest the way you’ve dodged the question kinda demonstrates my point.
BTW I’m not much of a beer drinker but I’m sure we could crack a bottle of Malbec together.
If you look on Argentine websites related to the Falklands, they’re usually (and I realise I’m generalising) completely dismissive that the Islanders have any rights. Read some of Eagle’s posts here about why the Islanders should simply be ignored.
No this site I ve posted, Eagle should respond by himself about his posted opinions, I cannot, I simply can say that I do not agree with him.
Now take some of those writings and replace Falkland Islands with Argentina and ask yourself how you would feel?
I feel very amused by the disbalanced comparative, Argentina had never made a war for gaining territory.
Because its only by recognising that the aggressive stance your country takes on the issue is the factor in determining how the Islanders view Argentina that you might be able to reach some kind of detente with them. However, it seems that you as a nation just can’t accept that and to be honest the way you’ve dodged the question kinda demonstrates my point.
I try to do not “dodge” any question but simply I cannot answers thing I dont know.
If the position of Argentina ( and I mean todays Argentina 2007) is perceived as “agressive” then that website was right, the local/british media twisted the things.
BTW I’m not much of a beer drinker but I’m sure we could crack a bottle of Malbec together.
Oh man , you cannot be more right, I didnt like too much the beer also, I just named a drink popular to the islanders because you know, I respect their way of living :mrgreen:, but I agree nothing can surpass a good wine, and If argentine Malbec better.
On 02/04/07, Argentina renewed its claim to the Falklands, and over the past few years has been very pushy to open sovereignty negotiations. Maybe they are not being currently militarily aggressive towards the Falklands, but they are politically.
Frankly, the rights of self-determination of the fifth generation islanders far outweighs any historical claim dating back to pre-1833 from Argentina, Spain, or indeed France.
Apart from the 1982 invasion of the Falkland Islands and the territorial disputes with your neighbours. Correct me if I’m wrong but Argentina refused to relinquish territory in the Beagle Channel awarded to Chile by arbitration?
Quod erat demonstrandum.
There was no war with Chile dear Lone Ranger.
And note that I use the word gaining not “regaining” territory. similar is not the same. :rolleyes:
And note that I use the word gaining not “regaining” territory. similar is not the same.
Can we have Ireland and most of France back then?
Arguing semantics here is going to get you at the bottom of a very deep hole. “Regaining” is a subset of “gaining”…
With the greatest respect, that seems a little limited.
What about India, Burma, Malaya, Singapore, and large slabs of the Middle East?
Not to mention America, which was lost only about half a century before Argentina didn’t establish a claim to the Falklands in 1833.
What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
Oops!
Sorry.
That’d mean that Spain gets Argentina back. Although, on historical titles, without the Falklands.
Bit of a bugger, that.
Legally binding arbitration through the ICJ awarded the territory to Chile, Argentina refused to accept it. It came close to war in 1978, largely it has to be said, because of Argentina’s aggressive behaviour.
I notice the ICJ ruled against you in the case you brought over Uruguyan paper mills, Mercosur ruled against you. Hasn’t stopped the blockades or harassment of Uruguyan lorries passing through Argentina has it?
There are numerous examples of Argentinian Governments acting aggressively toward the Falkland Islands - I’ve already listed a few.
No doubt, in your mind Argentine intentions were entirely benevolent and they were just misunderstood. Just out of interest, are you aware of Orwell’s concept of Doublethink?