Panzer projects & prototypes.

Yes, I have a little more, here anothe picture of the Magirus ARW.

And the Büssing Nag ZRW ( zehnradwagen 10 wheel vehicle)

The Büssing 10x10 was tested next to the 2 AZW models in 1930/31, the reason why those were not manufactured in serie, was simple, the awful budgetary situation of the German Army in those post 1929 crisis years.

Porsche Typ 245.

Despite beaing better know by heavy tanks and tankhunters Doktor Porsche designed and proposed a number medium and light recce tanks in 1942/43, the most important type was the light typ 245, it asumed sevral shapes as follow:

Porsche Typ 245 - Sonderfahrzeug V - 1943
Leichtes gepanzertes Mehrzweckefahrzeug fur Aufklarung und Begleit.
Light Armored Multipurpose Vehicle for Reconnaissance and Escort.
Armament: 55mm MK 112 gun & 7.92mm MG42.
Crew: 3 men / Weight: 15000kg / Armor: 30-80mm / Max.Speed: 58km/h.

Porsche Typ 245/1 - 1943
Leichter Panzerkampfwagen.
Light Tank.
Armament: 55mm MK 112 gun & 7.92mm MG42.

Porsche Typ 245/2 - 1943 Leichter Mehrzwecke-Panzerkampfwagen.
Light Multipurpose Tank.
Armament: 55mm MK 112 gun & 7.92mm MG42.

Porsche Typ 245/10 - 1943 Leichter Panzerkampfwagen zur Verwendung gegen Erd un Luftziele.
Light Tank for use against Ground and Air Targets.
Armament: 55mm MK 112 gun.

Porsche Typ 245/11 - 1943 Aufklaerungs-Panzer.
Light Reconnaissance Tank.
Armament: 55mm MK 112 gun & 7.92mm MG42.

The most bizarre thing of this designs is the main gun, the MK 112 made by Rheinmetall Borsig was a fast firing gun for aeronautical use, not really suited for firing high velocity armor piercing shells… :neutral:

http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4127&page=13

That looks like a rolling pillbox.

Wao… I proudly announce that this topic, my topic is the first one military related to surpass the 100,000 lectures in the history of ww2incolor forum. :wink:

What do you mean? theres only 363 posts…er I mean 364

wow! Would it stand cannon fire from a P-47?

The P-47 had no cannons, but .50 caliber machineguns, in any case the Lowe would withstand a lot of damage from automatic aircraft weapons without any problems. :slight_smile:

Why the 4 piece frontal armour, when you could do with two. It seems a bit complicated (= expensive), the 80mm turret roof is eccentric, but the large mantlet takes up much of the turret´s frontal area and somewhat makes up for the thinner armour compared to the Tiger II.
All that “moving” armour around the gun must have made it very heavy; it probably wouldn´t have been fast training- or elevating…

Good evening.

Does anyone of you know the name of this - project? - tank?

Looks like a Krupp Chassis and a Porsche turret Hybrid.

Thanks in advance :wink:

A bit tricky, the chasiss is Panzer IV and the turret…well the turret look like a tiger definately but… there was no a tank like that. :shock:

Why the 4 piece frontal armour, when you could do with two. It seems a bit complicated (= expensive), the 80mm turret roof is eccentric, but the large mantlet takes up much of the turret´s frontal area and somewhat makes up for the thinner armour compared to the Tiger II.
All that “moving” armour around the gun must have made it very heavy; it probably wouldn´t have been fast training- or elevating…

I dont know it seems that they didnt want or didnt like to use cast armor and emsambled the turret from laminated plates instead.

Panzer IX…countersunk turret tank ?

Yet another profile of a propaganda panzer, the words are redundant, just give a look :rolleyes:

I bet it was modeled after Goering.:smiley:

Probably, If he had a Panzer Div named after him…why not a panzer inpired in his belly too? :rolleyes:

RE: Pz IX four way drawing:

The most funny thing about this “tank” is that if the gun is an 88/L71, then the dimensions of this vehicle would be about 14x10x4,5m.
Perhaps it was “designed” for Seelöwe II, a tank - landing craft combo that did away with the landing craft, since the internal volume of the tank would make it float…:wink:

A swimming Goering…

a bloody smart germany, how they can make that vehicle like that, awesome, excellent, please forgive me if my english bad

Your english is perfectly fine. :slight_smile:
Well, the Panzer IX, X were fictional and even if it was built it would have been a waste of rescorces.

Sounds like the Maus and E100, as well as Panzer 1s and Panzer 2s.

Panther with 8,8 centimeters KwK in narrow Turret.

In a meeting of the Entwicklungskommission Panzer on 23 January 1945, Oberst Holzhaeuer (Wa Pruef 6) reported that development of a Panther with the 8.8 cm KwK L/71 in a Panther- Schmalturm was to be accomplished by Daimler-Benz. The turret ring diameter was to be 100 mm larger than the current Panther turret with an increase in weight of about one metric ton.

Drawing No. Hln B-130 dated 18 October 1944 was created by Krupp as a proposal for fitting the 8,8 cm KwK43 L/71 into a Panther Schmalturm with minimal modification. There was very limited space available for loading the long (1167 mm) high explosive round.

Ammunition stowage amounted to 56 rounds in comparison to 103 rounds previously stowed in the Panther. A wooden model had been completed. An experimental model in soft steel had yet to be fabricated. General-Major Thomale (Insp.Gen.d.Pz.Tr.) stated that the planetary gear final drive was absolutely necessary for a Panther with the 8.8 cm KwK L/71 and that it would be necessary to conduct studies on ammunition stowage and loading in the soft steel model.

Some of the characteritics were:

-Elevation from minus 8 through plus 15 degrees.

-Only the previous 8,8 cm KwK43 developed for the Tiger II was acceptable.

-The recoil and return cylinders were to be mounted above the gun with the bore evacuation cylinder in the middle.

-The muzzle brake was to be dropped.

-The trunnions were to be relocated.

  • A smooth armor plate for the turret front with the small possible apertures for the main gun and machinegun.

-The iddle of the trunnions were to be located on the forward edge of the front plate.

-A turmfernmesser, turret rangefinder was to be included. An attempt was to be made to use the already available 1,32 m or 1,65 m rangefinders designed for Panzerkampfwagen

The war ended before the model was fully completed but is not wrong to say that given the extreme limited room left by the instalation of the heavier and larger main gun the Panther ausf F o Panther II equipped in this way would be extremely unconfortable for the crew, specially the "ladenschutze" ( loader).

The Krupp proposal for fitting the 8,8 cm KwK43 L/71 into the Panther Schmalturm, drawing dated november 1944.

Panther with 8,8 centimeters KwK in narrow Turret.

In a meeting of the Entwicklungskommission Panzer on 23 January 1945, Oberst Holzhaeuer (Wa Pruef 6) reported that development of a Panther with the 8.8 cm KwK L/71 in a Panther- Schmalturm was to be accomplished by Daimler-Benz.

Is this the same thing?
This schmallturm is in a British museum after being shot at for trials.
And a Panther ausf. F trials vehicle.

Panther ausf. F.jpg