hi
tee hee
a year!
in my first year , there were 6 in all, i manage to find out a fair bit!
Q
except who made it.
Hi Quentin,
Everything I knew about it is included in the first post…
A kayakist myself, I was intrigued by it to say the least. I Knew there was something special to it the first time I saw the picture. (by the way, it’s the only pic available, from the museum’s web page, and the info on the fist post is the caption that was associated with it (amost all wrong, as you kindly point out).
Thank you again for confirming that it was military, even if from the looks of it, I was almost certain of this…
I will certainly go to see your googling…
do you have pictures of yours on the web?
Thanks again
and viva da internet!
Hi Quentin,
I can’t find your group on google, can you please post a link ?
Thanks
Quentin, any chance of seeing a picture of your canoe? And a bit of the blurb from you book about it?
hi agian.
on further inspection of the canoe i am able to confirm that the sail in the photo is NOT the original sail. It is likely that the mast and yard is original although i should like to have a larger file size pic to get detail. the reason i say the mast etc is likely to be original is because it looks right and they would have had to of had an original to copy from to ensure it even looked right.
Q
hi W
put WW2 British Military Canoes in search under google groups.
its new and i doubt if people will bother, the reason being they simply dont know anything or very very little. anything they do know will likely to be mostly wrong as the info would have been obtained via an appendix in a book. hence my blurb in my synopsis.
when this new subject matter gets circulated there will be a growing interest. its like finding out there was a dozen or so new tanks that no-one had known about before; except that this is almost completely new.
Q
hi
its strange everyone has gone quiet!
no more supposition to deal with ! oh come on chaps theres more to life than gossip.
with regard to my example of this canoe…
doesnt anyone want to know anything else?
the google group WW2 british military canoes discussion group…
there is one image there. i have lots more but it is not about telling people things , its about finding out what the populace thinks and believes thay know.
all anyone need to do is ask questions. you asked some of the museum. why not ask the same questions in the discussion group.
i take it you found the turk site and your interest can about because you thought it looked military?
regards
Q
hi
i am about to cross swords with the turk museum. will report back!
Q
hi peeps
i have read with interest various bits from the site.
it would appear that the extraordinary secret Detachment 385 is not known of within your group.
maybe some of you might like to know/ find out.
it would be too easy to blurb it all out without an invite so let me know if interested.
Q:shock: 
hi W
further to my posts…
has anyone seen any other canoes anywhere in the uk or australia that look like they might be military?
Q
hi ref …Very interesting story, the way it went to Turkey!
I remember asking by e-mail to the museum if there was any marking or manufacturer plate and they answered no… By the way they make their research, I’ll be more suspicious with museums claims in the future…
Have you been on the water with yours or it is too precious to use?
Can’t wait to have more details.
what details would you like?
Q
hi
Can’t wait to have more details.
You can see pics of my sailing kayak here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jflemieux/sets/72157594247891626/[/QUOTE]
hi
if you like kayaks your going to love the info on the WW2 canoes. actually they should be called kayaks by the definition but the military classified them as canoes, but have researched i can understand why/how they did this.
about the only info about canoes and actions will be the cockleshell heros by lucas -phillips. a film was made about this raid .
very littleinfo about the canoe history and development is mentioned AND SUPRISING AS IT MAY SEEM LUCAS PHILLIPS GOT THE DIMENSIONS OF THE CANOE WRONG!
for myself when i researched this i found it to be easily evidenced. lucas phillips (LP) had help from hasler etc so its suprising that there was errors!
hi re my canoe… no its due to go in water following its restoration.
i had to strip all old paint of then etch - prime it the sea-cock needs to be secured then a coat of paint or two… then in water.
during my research i came into contact with a few of the chaps who paddled these craft. only one chap is left who is very lucid and i hope he will be there when its launched. he lives nearby.
Q
it’ll be this summer, wanna visit?
hi
its called a semi becaus it also could and was sailed and paddled. classification … canoe.
Q
Would that be those sea-soldier types paddling about Thailand?
Just whack it up Quentin, that is what most people do.
You don’t need to ask if people want it or not. Whack it up, if it get’s no replys then you know no one was interested.
I like reading things on the more specialised units,
Others on here like talking about mainstream units.
Have you got canoe like the one in the Turkish museum?
Or any other pictures of them?
One of the reasons there has been so much debate on here, is that there wasn’t a lot to go on in the first place. If you know more then feel free to post away.
How do you know so much about the canoe, or it’s sisters, in the Turkish museum?
hi 1000
someone hasnt been reading my posts…
firstly try this post by myself on the ww2incolor site…
New Specialist Military Information WW2 Canoes
anyway to address your questions and reiterate my posts.
yes i have a canoe as in the turks museum collection, and in a word RESEARCH. i know how and why this museum obtained their canoe; it was bought by one of their peeps from an antique dealer in petworth, sussex. he has obviously told the museum a lot of tosh and tried to inflate the price by giving it a USA reference hence Grumund ref.
please realise this canoe was uk built, aircraft spec and by aircraft maunfacturers. It was NOT manufactured by Camper and Nicholson regardless of what any museum might tell you.
the sail in the pic is not original but it would appear the yard/mast is; the yard seperates into two bits and is stowed amidships.
to be honest i would direct you to WW2 british military canoes at the google groups (i set it up as a discussion group , you will read why).
once you have read my synopsis blurb re new specialist item on new post you will probably realise why i know so much.
five years in the research and a year writing.
i do have lots of photos of various types.
but it rather seems a fruitless to do the research them give it all away.
i will be happy to put people right about what they are saying; there are enough errors from the museums and authors who have tried to write about ww2 military canoes so dont feel bad; just read the synopsis it sort of says it all… which is way its called a synopsis.
although it seems very grand to say it i am the leading authority on the subject and if thats in the uk its is also true of the world.
within some publications there are appendices that refer to canoes. most of the info is wrong. even lucas phillips who wrote the cockleshell heroes got the dimensions wrong, but i do know WHY he got it wrong.
the manuscript was 160,000 words and it had to be reduced to 100,000.
its a facinating story as well as the only true reference book for British Military canoes of WW2.
it blows your socks off… even the chap who fought in ceylon with detachment 385 thought the read was ‘incredible’. i might even let him know about this site.
i hope this goes some way to answer your post. why dont you go to the Google group and post there.
Go to google then groups and type WW2 British Military Canoes.
whilst the cupboard is somewhat bare there the reasons for setting it up are evident.
regrds
Q
Hi Quentin,
I think I found it…
Is that it ? (had to use advanced search to get to it)
The picture, however, depicts a klepper-type kayak. Nothing to do with the
core of this debate.
I really would like to see pics of your aluminium canoe/kayak…
and BTW, when is your book due to be published?
As for what I would like to know, pretty much everything you can share, without putting your book contract in jeopardy:roll: (you must have some sort of exclusivity clause on this, right?)
What were the details of a typical operation? Tou said they were dropped from Catalina seaplanes, but those can’t land if the sea is too rough (more than 3-4 feet waves I think, but maybe more). Also night-landing on sea is hazardous to say the least. Were they droped from other sources like fast torpedo boats, subs, etc?
hi oh dear
its not a klepper type canoe its a collapsible and yes it is to do with the core of MY site in the sense that this image is interesting due to showing the skeleton of a important canoe.
re book ask the publisher the cogs are slow moving
you have seen the canoe on the turks site. i am not about to explain all to everyone. its so easy at this stage for someone to get the info from me then send it on the web without any by or leave to my hours of research.
re catalinas
i NEVER said they were dropped from a seaplane. they were not dropped from any sea-plane. the aircraft had to land on water then the canoes would be decanted etc rv were arranged then the op was picked up with the canoe. they were especially designed for carraige in subs.
no read this.
i did say that THESE aluminium canoes were developed for USE IN THE TROPICS and i did mention CEYLON (for those that dont know its called Sri Lanka now). I will be happy to explain more on the google site.
ref photos etc there are copyright issues here; i know many members repro images onto the site but as a photographer i am very aware that this should not be done without prior arrangement with the publisher/author of the book… that goes for quotes from any publication.
various canoes were carried in various craft at various times in various places.
the reason the seaplanes were used was because it took to much time up using a sub and the sub was better employed in other matters.
even the cockleshell heroes raid was dependant on the commander of the sub TUNA not being sidetarck by something more pressing!
seaplanes also afforded the swift repatriation of men and stores (canoes) therefore maintaining a good fitness level as oppossed to using a sub that would take days to return and then not necessarily to the desire home location.
boy i’m tired now!
i think there is a need to understand the M.O. with regards to the special forces and actions apart from the units that seem to be ‘popular’.
Force 136; detachment 385; COPPS etc etc.
regards
Q