Who is that Person? (also open for everyone)

Dear Mr. Libratrian,
this time the quiz is harder a bit!
the mentioned general NEVER reached the rank of Maschall, but mamanger a very very very important misson after the war!
During the war he had a job which…hmmm… was quite …dangerous.

So good luck, try to identify this person!

TGR

Oh, I will do that, my dear Mr. Tiger 205, but it seems to me that we have a genuine historical quandary here, which has to be resolved for the sake of the science. :slight_smile:

You see, I have made my judgment in view of those decorations resting on his uniform. I am absolutely sure that presented personality is decorated with all those previously mentioned Soviet orders, but perhaps I have made a mistake with those obviously non-soviet military medals.

Therefore tell me, please, is our mysterious personality recipient of that highly rare Czechoslovakian order or not, or else elucidate us what really are those obviously non-soviet chest decorations. :cool:

Also be so kind and tell us a little bit more about that highly hazardous job he had during the war. You know, description “very dangerous” is completely associable with a colossal variety of different human endeavors during the war. :slight_smile:

Thank you in advance! :wink:

Dear Sir,
FOUR small puzzles

1/ When I was 13 - one of the rare readable historcal memoars of the great partiotic war - so one of my favorite together with Pokriskin’s - was written by this gentleman.
2/Both authors had “wings” - and interesting aftert-war career (Pokriskin had a more usual).
3/ I am not a great “awards-fan” I have a photo where Voroshilov gave him the Suvorov award. Maybe the color of the uniform helps you???
4/ He made something interesting and brave BEFORE WWII - related with expedition and ice - and managed some breath-taking event AFTER-WAR.

I hope - for you - this is enough!!! :wink:

TGR

Thank you for those clarifications, they proved very useful, my dear Mr Tiger!

Our mystery character is none other than Nikolai Petrovich Kamanin (Николай Петрович Каманин ) one of the first recipients of the “Hero of the Soviet Union” award and head of cosmonaut training for the Soviet Space Program after the war… It was your mention of “expedition” and “ice” that finally clued me in, since I remembered reading about the search for the “SS Chelyuskin” a while ago.

As a follow up, please guess the person below (FULL name if possible):

Congratulations!
Brilliant memory and correct answer!

TGR

BTW – Kamanin really was a recipient of numerous non-soviet orders and medals, but, alas, those awards were not mentioned in his official biography.

Well, that’s life. :slight_smile:

Nevertheless, I have to admit that we really do have a well-dressed gentlemen in our topic. Was he a general or, God forbid, only a colonel, my dear Mr. Wingsofwrath ? :wink:

Let me follow… :mrgreen:
Was he a scientists or, God forbid, only a politician, my dear Mr. Wingsofwrath?:wink:

Regrads:
TGR

My dear Mr Librarian, I’m afraid that our mystery character was never part of the military.

On the other hand, as good Mr Tiger guessed, he was involved in the private sector and had a rather important role within his country, at one point becoming even Minister of the Economy for a short while.

Another tidbit of information I’m prepared to disclose at this moment is that this gentleman held an Olympic medal in the Interwar period.

Alfried Felix Alwyn von Bohlen und Halbach, aka Alfred Krupp after Hitler confirmed conferral of the Krupp name on him as Kaiser Wilhelm II did to his father as a hereditary title.

He won a bronze medal in sailing at the 1936 Olympics.

Krupp was one of the worst Nazi war criminals who exploited slave labour shamelessly and profited from it enormously. He managed to avoid the death sentence his exploitation imposed on many others.

I prefer this famous 1963 photograph of him, often said to embody the personification of evil, and taken by a Jewish photographer.

Spot on!
Yes, I like the 1963 photograph better, but It was a tad too well known… He does look ominous, though, doesn’t he?
The thing that gets me every time, is how the US pardoned various convicted war criminals (including our above mentioned individual) because they needed their expertise in their various domains to fight the Russians in the Cold War… Of course, at least in the case of Von Braun, for example, Humanity ultimately benefited, but it’s still an arbitrary method of affixing blame - “oh, I guess we need you, so you can’t be guilty of crimes against Humanity, right?”

@Tiger, I’m sorry, but Rising Sun got the answer already!

Every Allied nation probably did it, in one way or another, in fear of Soviet and Chinese communist expansion.

Australia happily allowed sundry fascists from Yugoslavia to immigrate and favoured them because they were anti-communists. Then the bastards ran their Ustasha bullshit, training and low grade terrorism here for a few decades under the eyes and perhaps protection of our security services when an equivalent pro-communist unit would have been stamped out quickly.

Where we differed from the US and Britain was that we carried on war crimes trials against the Japanese after the Americans and British had abandoned them because the major Allies wanted Japan on side against the communists, which the Japanese militarists etc had always been (i.e. rabidly anti-communist).

Who is the seated man?

Maybe William Slim, 1st Viscount Slim (General, later Field Marshal) ?

TGR

No, the seated man never received a peerage.

Some people thought soon after the photo was taken, and even now, that he was lucky to avoid a court-martial and being cashiered.

So let we check what we have:

  • WW II
  • Pacific theatre (Burma is my guess)
  • British general
  • Not a peer
  • Someone is in a deep shit :rolleyes:

Is it correct by now?

TGR

  • WW II - Yes
  • Pacific theatre - Yes
  • (Burma is my guess) - South and a bit east of Burma
  • British general - Major general, but not British.
  • Not a peer - Definitely not.
  • Someone is in a deep shit :rolleyes: - Not at the time of the photo, but what he did a few weeks later got him into seriously deep shit with his troops, army, government, and the people of his nation, although he also had his supporters.

I wonder is it any connection with your answer in the other topic about the Glenn Close film? :confused:

In this case the person shold be David Murray-Lyon MG of the Indian army.

TGR

Would that deep shit be rabbit shit? :slight_smile:

If you’re thinking of Percival, aka “Rabbit”, no, it’s not him.

Anyway, he was a lieutenant general. My man is only a major general.

Nope, not Indian Army.