Problems that need to be dealt with!!!

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@Panzerknacker

PDF 27 the “informal warning” was already given when I said to everybody to slow down a bit in the topic.

Quoting from the rules again…

R1. In all cases a member MUST be warned before an infraction point is handed out. It will be mandatory this is done so that other staff members can quickly understand the situation regarding that member. Henceforth, this will be known as a “formal warning.” PLEASE NOTE: All other types of warnings that are not formal are regarded as informal.
R2. Informal warnings maybe used. PLEASE NOTE: No infraction point will be valid if a formal warning has not been issued first.
R3. When a formal warning is given, the member will be given a certain amount of days to respond/read the warning. This can easily be set when issuing the formal warning.
R4. Once a formal warning has been issued and it is understood the member has acknowlegded the warning, then if the problem persists, infraction point(s) can be issued.

My bold - makes it quite clear that “hey everyone slow down a bit” does NOT count as a formal warning and so infraction points cannot be issued for failing to comply.

@Panzerknacker

In any case there was already intances in wich a Moderator had given infraction points without any formal or informal warning and I cant give examples.

If so then they were wrong too. I am not aware of any examples - the only points I’ve issued to date personally have been to spammers, who are an exception.

@Panzerknacker

Then he called me You are a shithouse moderator.

Umm… I rather suspect that this has far more to do with your actions than anything else. If you’re going to be a mod you’ve got to rise above this. If you can’t, hand in your mod powers and become a normal member again where you can shoot back in kind. Note that NOWHERE in the rules is “showing lack of respect to a moderator” listed as an offence.

[Firefly]

I think Gen S and Dani need to make a decision here. I mistakenly gave infraction points to Sgt Dorr and admitted it. You knew that as it was only the other week.

[Panzerknacker]

Agreed, Seems that Gen Sandworn is really busy.

By the way in my last post I Mean to say:

In any case there was already intances in wich a Moderator had given infraction points without any formal or informal warning and I can give examples.

[Gen_Sandworm]

@Panzerknacker

Agreed, Seems that Gen Sandworn is really busy.

Sorry I was away this weekend and did not have the chance to use a computer. I am fucking tired and not in the mind set to deal with this right now. Ill sleep on it and get back to you very soon.

Thanks

[Panzerknacker]

No problem Herr General.

[Dani]

All right, PK just messed up pretty bad. I already have a deja-vu seeing that mess. Erwin have acted exactly like you did PK. He deleted posts, he don’t gave a shit about the rules and so on.

Things to do:
a) To accept my resignation as a chief mod. For too long I was offline thus I was unable to chill down that facts as it happened.

b) Following a) to accept my proposal for FF to be a chief mod. No need to explain why.

c) PK, this is your formal warning according to our rules (btw, you have 1 day to acknowledge and also note that 1 infraction point from me will follows):
R1. In all cases a member MUST be warned before an infraction point is handed out. It will be mandatory this is done so that other staff members can quickly understand the situation regarding that member. Henceforth, this will be known as a “formal warning.” PLEASE NOTE: All other types of warnings that are not formal are regarded as informal.
R2. Informal warnings maybe used. PLEASE NOTE: No infraction point will be valid if a formal warning has not been issued first.
R3. When a formal warning is given, the member will be given a certain amount of days to respond/read the warning. This can easily be set when issuing the formal warning.
R4. Once a formal warning has been issued and it is understood the member has acknowlegded the warning, then if the problem persists, infraction point(s) can be issued.
R10. Moderators can only recieve formal warning/infraction points from Super-Moderators and Administrators.

You could read as well following rules and act accordingly:
R12. Moderators will appeal formal warnings/infraction points to Super-Moderators and Administrators.
(Note: You can’t appeal to me for this formal warning nor for your future infraction point. Appeal directly to GS).
E3. Moderators/super-moderator can attempt to negoitate the deferment of an infraction point in change for a decrease in moderating powers.

d) A public apology must be issued.
e) A reversal of the infraction points on RS since I didn’t see any bloody “insulting” post since you have been deleted PK.

There’s no need to remember - I hope - that I could easily appeal the"P" section…
P2. First time infractions should never exceed one “non-expiring” point. This limits first time infractions to a 1 point total.
P3. If a staff member wishes to exceed the 1 point total. He must first discuss the situation with staff members.
P4. Issuing an infraction point without first warning the a member will result in a “non-expiring” formal warning.
P5. Violation of rule P2, will result in a “non-expiring” formal warning.
P6. Violation of rule P2 or P4, after a “non-expiring” formal warning has been issued, will result in a 1 “non-expiring” infraction point.

EDITED: Fact e) already done. Thanks FF!!!

[Dani]

@Gen_Sandworm

Dani could you … when you get time…write up a list off things new mods need to know and what they are expected to do and post this under war room - rules. I guess i should write one for chief mods as well. This is all just for clarity and so in the future people know exactly what it is they are expected to do. Let me know if you have any questions

Almost 2 years have passed since GS told me that (on page 2 of this thread).

And this was issued:

@Gen_Sandworm

New Moderators:

So you are a new moderator? Congratulations. What is expected of you:

Basics:

1. You are here to moderate and you should always try and be fair.
2. You are a part of a team. Always remember this.
3. You should try and be here at least once a day. Give notice when you are on leave.
4. You should observe the rules and you are expected to contribute as much as possible on this forum.
5. The Chief Mod(s) are your boss. Administrators do not overrule them unless they have to. So listen to them.
6. When moving topics never leave a shadow topic.
7. Info discussed in the War Room never leaves the War Room. Along with this goes the appearance that the management always knows what they are doing. Never show doubt outside the War Room. Hence its purpose and why we have it.
8. If unsure just ask.
9. You can suggest a rule, however must be confirmed by the others. Administrators, Chief moderators, etc…
10. War Room is a place to voice your opinion and be heard, just do not do it in public.
11. You can delete, edit, modify and warn without asking and also lock topics when things are getting out of hand. When you are new please ask before doing anything so we can steer you along the right path. We are watching and trust your judgment.
12. While editing/modifying other’s posts, there will be no sign of editing (with exception of your posts). Therefore a note below is requested: “Edited by… for…”. Be fair and add the note. Minor editing (eg typos) is not subject of issuing the note.
13. Most important: you are a reprehensive of the site so act like you have some sense.
14. If you are on the site when it comes under attack you are expected to act. If you do not you can be demoded.
15. You are always expected to protect the site. Therefore, we would like to have your messenger address so that we may contact you in the event of an emergency.

Warnings and Rewards

16. You can be kicked from being a mod at any time. You will be entitled to a reason why. Most likely it has been thought through thoroughly and is not debatable. However you can try.
17. You can step down at anytime without shame and keep your rank and part in the war room. However we reserve the right to remove you and demote you if your conduct is poor.
18. All Moderators, if done well have a chance to be Chief mod, if your conduct warrants so.
19. As said the Chief mod is your boss and you will take his orders. Failure to do so can result in expulsion.
20. Feel free to voice your opinion in the war room about anything.
21. Along with becoming a moderator you will receive a promotion to Captain.

Basically your job is to read and understand. Watch posts. If they are double go ahead and delete them. No need to ask on simple stuff. If you are confused about something please ask. Gen. Sandworm, FW, Dani, Tiger and Firefly……we have been doing it for sometime so we can help you. Lastly…………to all. WW2ADMIN has the final say so in all affairs. His site his rules.

Chief Moderators:

1. You are expected to keep control over the moderators.
2. You are the example of what moderators should strive to be.
3. All rules for Moderators apply to you smartly.
4. You are entitled to the rank of Colonel.
5. In the event of being discharged you are entitled to a warning before and a reason why. This differs from normal moderators because you have the honor of a warning. If you do not change then you will be demoded. You cannot be demoded without receiving (within reason) a warning first.
6. You are allowed to issues medals to members.
7. You are basically an Administrator just without the options. Anything you say will be regarded with the utmost respect.
8. Always make sure that your moderators are well informed. Do not feel afraid to correct Administrators when they are wrong as well.
9. If the conduct warrants so you have the possibility (with confirmation of ww2admin) of becoming an administrator.

Would just like to add the War Room is a democracy for the most part, however it can quickly change to a dictatorship in the event of a crisis or other circumstances. In this case just follow orders and you will be fine. This is the last option in an emergency. If you do not understand your rank/position please ask us and we will tell you.

So read again and think about.

[Panzerknacker]

Just like Erwin…yea sure. I dont see anything wrong so, I going to resign as a general Mod, I would like to keep the german section only.

[Dani]

@Panzerknacker

Just like Erwin…yea sure. I dont see anything wrong so, I going to resign as a general Mod, I would like to keep the german section only.

So I take note that you acknowledge my formal warning. Moreover you appeal on exception 3 stated below.
E3. Moderators/super-moderator can attempt to negoitate the deferment of an infraction point in change for a decrease in moderating powers

The ball is now in GS’s yard. If he agrees on that you’ll have no infraction point. If he don’t agree you’ll have one from me.

[Gen_Sandworm]

Oki Doki!

@Dani

Things to do:
a) To accept my resignation as a chief mod. For too long I was offline thus I was unable to chill down that facts as it happened.

b) Following a) to accept my proposal for FF to be a chief mod. No need to explain why.

Im hoping that you will reconsider you resignation. However it is your call and if I have too I will reluctantly accept.

@Dani

c) PK, this is your formal warning according to our rules (btw, you have 1 day to acknowledge and also note that 1 infraction point from me will follows):

This should be clear. PK you did NOT issue a formal warning to RS. Coz formal warnings appear in the infraction log as such:
[b]Sturmtruppen[/b] [b]Dani[/b] 22:45, 6th May 2007 Warning 0 Reversed [View] [Delete]

Might add that the above was a test and no formal warnings have been issued since. Which normally would be good but there has been a couple of cases where a infraction point was issued and no formal warning appears.
A PM does not count as formal warning. You issue ones the same way you issue and infraction. Check the guide Dani made if you dont understand.

In this case PK, because this has happened before with you in which you have received an informal warning here. I am going to give you a formal warning for your actions.

@Dani

E3. Moderators/super-moderator can attempt to negoitate the deferment of an infraction point in change for a decrease in moderating powers.

d) A public apology must be issued.
e) A reversal of the infraction points on RS since I didn’t see any bloody “insulting” post since you have been deleted PK.

PK since this isnt your 1st time doing such a thing you should be receiving an infraction point. I do believe what you say that RS insulted you. However there is no evidence to prove this. PMs are places where insults should be possible as long as they dont get out of hand. Im not so concerned with the PMs. Im going on your word that he did what you said he did in public. So this is how im going to break it down:

TAKE YOUR PICK OF THE OPTIONS PK!

1. You can both apologize to each other in Public and RS will receive a permanent formal warning plus a 3 month 1 point infraction.

2. You can agree to not mod in the other wars section all together except in the event of a spammer. (violation will result in an infraction point) RS will receive a 1 year 1 infraction point.

3. You can receive a 6 month 1 infraction point. RS will receive a non expiring 1 infraction point.

4. You can do a 1 point permanent infraction and RS will receive 1 permanent and 1 year 1 point. (Just to add 2 points for a mod at anytime equals automatic demodding. Also you cant advance with an infraction point)

My suggestion is to take option 1.

PK you give me your decision and Ill inform RS from there. Like I said PK you are getting a permanent formal warning.

Other staff members our welcome to give their input! But I think this is the best way to proceed.

PK in the future please keep your records better. Copy to a new thread and stick in the AM archive for review. And no more infractions more than 1 point. Remember the dont count unless you have sent a formal warning 1st. Unless that member has already been warned. If the rules are not clear just ask me. Thanks.

[Dani]

@Gen_Sandworm

Im hoping that you will reconsider you resignation. However it is your call and if I have too I will reluctantly accept.

Anyway I deserve a moral warning for not being online nor following the guidelines for chief mods:

1. You are expected to keep control over the moderators.
2. You are the example of what moderators should strive to be.

As for

@Gen_Sandworm

TAKE YOUR PICK OF THE OPTIONS PK!

1. You can both apologize to each other in Public and RS will receive a permanent formal warning plus a 3 month 1 point infraction.

2. You can agree to not mod in the other wars section all together except in the event of a spammer. (violation will result in an infraction point) RS will receive a 1 year 1 infraction point.

3. You can receive a 6 month 1 infraction point. RS will receive a non expiring 1 infraction point.

4. You can do a 1 point permanent infraction and RS will receive 1 permanent and 1 year 1 point. (Just to add 2 points for a mod at anytime equals automatic demodding. Also you cant advance with an infraction point)

My suggestion is to take option 1.

PK you give me your decision and Ill inform RS from there. Like I said PK you are getting a permanent formal warning.

Other staff members our welcome to give their input! But I think this is the best way to proceed.

Yep :neutral:
Remember PK,

Would just like to add the War Room is a democracy for the most part, however it can quickly change to a dictatorship in the event of a crisis or other circumstances. In this case just follow orders and you will be fine. This is the last option in an emergency.

[Gen_Sandworm]

@Panzerknacker

Just like Erwin…yea sure. I dont see anything wrong so, I going to resign as a general Mod, I would like to keep the german section only.

Might add that Erwin also resigned. Your not him and a much better member. I want you to stay but this behavior cannot continue.

Please give me a decision regarding my post on the previous page!

[Panzerknacker]

Erwin was a crazy motherfuker, I didnt want to express in this way because the heavy language is not my stile but the truth it is. Any comparative with this subjet is pretty offensive.

1. You can both apologize to each other in Public and RS will receive a permanent formal warning plus a 3 month 1 point infraction.

I am not going to apologize for nothing.

2. You can agree to not mod in the other wars section all together except in the event of a spammer. (violation will result in an infraction point) RS will receive a 1 year 1 infraction point.

I like this one.

[Gen_Sandworm]

@Panzerknacker

Erwin was a crazy motherfuker, I didnt want to express in this way because the heavy language is not my stile but the truth it is. Any comparative with this subjet is pretty offensive.

I am not going to apologize for nothing.

I like this one.

1. Understood

2. Your call.

3. Thats what we will do. I will take care of the rest. I will make a brief and vague statement to the public regarding our conclusion. I will make sure that it is in no way apologetic from your standpoint. I am going to let them know that you have been reprimanded and will not be modding in the Other wars section. Explain that RS has been punished and he can explain his part if he wishes. Any problems?

[Panzerknacker]

Just one, RS was not infractioned by a post in “Other wars” but in Off-topic general.

[Dani]

@Panzerknacker

Any comparative with this subjet is pretty offensive.

Apologies for that.

[Firefly]

I will stick by any decision made here.

[pdf27]

Panzerknacker - can you tell me why this guy ( http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/member.php?u=4033 ) got banned? The admin note you left isn’t terribly helpful, I can’t see any sign of a note in here saying why he was banned and in his new incarnation he’s sent at least one PM so isn’t a spambot. Hence I’m a tad curious as to why he got shown the door.

So far as I can tell all his posts have been deleted and he’s now back under a new userID asking one of the ordinary members what he has to do not to be banned again. I see no reason not to allow him back unless he did something particularly unpleasant last time, particularly if he is willing to amend his behaviour, but I kind of need to know what he did before dealing with this.

GS/WW2Admin: Is there any way of filtering the list of users to show who has warnings/infraction points/bans against them? Right now it’s very hard to spot a returning banee unless they give themselves away.

[Panzerknacker]

Spaming.

I suppose that he should avoid post like “o yeah”, " “i like it” “it was used in ww2” , and so.

By the way the user “Clausewitz” ( also banned by me) has retuned with the nick “Jan Fiala”, so far so good.

[Gen_Sandworm]

@pdf27

GS/WW2Admin: Is there any way of filtering the list of users to show who has warnings/infraction points/bans against them? Right now it’s very hard to spot a returning banee unless they give themselves away.

Its always been a problem. They best we can hope for is to find out info on them. Unless they have a static IP then its hard to completely ban someone. You can wildcard ips and email address but this doesnt always work.

Next time that Nokia asshole come thru again im going to try to find out somemore info on him. Please dont delete all his post just move one to the archive room.